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How the FBI uses laws to spy on foreign terrorists to spy on you

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41 points by cascom 4 years ago · 18 comments

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anonymousiam 4 years ago

I guess we had better call law enforcement to get the FBI prosecuted, and get them to start following the law. Who do we call? Certainly not the FBI.

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

Overtonwindow 4 years ago

Perhaps controversial but I think the FBI should have its policing powers taken away, and reverted back to a scientific agency that assists law enforcement, not investigate and make arrests of its own.

  • wolverine876 4 years ago

    Who does national-level policing? There are national-level crimes, such as espionage and terrorism, and others that require national-scale resources.

    • rschneid 4 years ago

      Somehow I don't think this country will have trouble finding folks to perform 'national-level policing'. From pop culture, I've gleaned that it's more often the opposite case: investigations are fragmented as a result of multiple organizations pursuing cases in their bureaucratic 'information silos.'

      Here's a list of all of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the...

      Ironic that one of the FBI's self-reported 'priorities' is to 'Protect civil rights.' I wonder how much longer Hanlon's razor will be a plausible excuse for this kind of lying...

      • wolverine876 4 years ago

        I know about the other organizations, but are they any better in your eyes than the FBI? AFAIK, the DHS can be much more aggressive, perhaps lacking the Justice Dept's oversight.

trenning 4 years ago

They can’t even find the person who put bombs outside the DNC and RNC in freaking Washington DC and the person is on video using a smart phone.

wolverine876 4 years ago

When issues like this come up, people say 'there's nothing we can do'. People believed they could change law enforcement in SF by recalling the DA, the Trumpists certainly believed they could take over the GOP and win widely, and they did. Why are we so lacking in faith in our enormous power?

daniel-cussen 4 years ago

Absolute least of my worries. Maybe if they spy on me enough they can figure out whodunnit when I get murdered, I'd really appreciate that.

  • fsflover 4 years ago

    This is completely missing the point of why one needs privacy. Lack of it harms journalism and activism, making the government too powerful and not accountable. If only activists and journalists will try to have the privacy, it will be much easier to target them. Everyone should have privacy to protect them. It’s sort of like freedom of speech is necessary not just for journalists, but for everyone, even if you have nothing to say.

    • daniel-cussen 4 years ago

      Well I want privacy from other things, I do. It just so happens the FBI isn't in my threat model, to the contrary of what the ACLU and civil liberty advocates talk about. I really didn't expect it to turn out that way.

      Privacy is kind of a fantasy, though. The concept of privacy. There's a quintillion amplifiers made every year (ie transistors), and that rate is increasing rapidly. Moore's law is essentially antithetical to actual privacy, meaning nobody knowing your secret.

      What there is is keeping a low profile and avoiding emphasis on what you don't want amplified and repeated. Working the system.

      • wolverine876 4 years ago

        > Privacy is kind of a fantasy, though.

        It's incredible to see how trendy despair is. It's a trend that suits those in power - imagine your opponents just quit! That seems like a fantasy.

      • fsflover 4 years ago

        The number of transistors does not affect the privacy. It's how they are used. Try free software, which respects users. Works for me (by increasing the cost to spy, which is enough for the goal I stated).

        >What there is is keeping a low profile and avoiding emphasis on what you don't want amplified and repeated. Working the system.

        How is this helping anyone? If you have no privacy, your own emphasis doesn't matter.

        • daniel-cussen 4 years ago

          OK, you changed my mind about one particular thing and I'm thankful you did: free software. It's beginning to look like the relationship between software cost and quality is inverted, cheaper is higher quality. For sure the contracts are better, more favorable. Free means no DRM. But it's not fully there yet, you still get better software usually, by paying for it in some roundabout way. The cost-quality curve is becoming flatter over time and in many cases is in some specific items negative-sloping, like Linux being the best for servers for a long time.

          It happens whenever someone makes perfect work for free.

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