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How Dropbox Will Die

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39 points by aab1d 14 years ago · 37 comments

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0x12 14 years ago

I wrote something about this in another thread. I don't think dropbox will die, and here is why:

Dropbox is only a 'feature' if you already have everything else, an operating system, and an installed base of a large number of devices.

But dropbox the product, not dropbox the feature is what exists today.

Seamless filesharing at an affordable pricepoint (including a free tier) across all devices and across all major operating systems, including linux, apple and windows. And that includes versioning and so on.

So it isn't a feature.

Don't forget that the universe of computing is far larger than any single operating system, no matter how successful, and that this will likely always be the case.

Dropbox is infrastructure, not a feature. And it's fine to run infrastructure, you can actually charge for it and people will pay. See also: toll roads, ISPs, the petroleum industry, your power company and so on.

Commoditizing the essence of storage wasn't such a bad idea at all, and to turn it into a product, not just a feature is what gives it long term viability.

Forbes being a print magazine I'd bet good money that Forbes the print edition will die long before dropbox.

Besides dropbox having about 250 million factors in the equation helping it to stay alive a little longer Forbes writing about it in two different places on one day will help dropbox just that much more. There is no such thing as bad advertising. Plenty of the Forbes visitors reading this might think, ok, dropbox is going to die, but until then this is mighty handy.

  • brianobush 14 years ago

    I agree with most of what you write save the fact that Dropbox is not a feature. I use dropbox constantly to the point it is invisible to my work. My files move around without me worrying about it. From a consumer point of view (ie, non-tech) how your files synchronize doesn't matter. The fact that the files are there when you need them is what matters. In the consumer eye, Dropbox would be a feature of all their devices.

    • 0x12 14 years ago

      As long as enough people are willing to pay for the 'feature' I'm sure that the dropbox founders don't care too much what people call it :)

giffc 14 years ago

I think it is a silly article with a link bait headline. The author has taken his very narrow use cases and extrapolated it to all users. If he can replace dropbox with evernote then he is using dropbox in a very different way from me, not to mention that his implicit message seems to be that all operating systems are going to become Apple-owned, which is silly. Yes, icloud might hurt dropbox but that's a far cry from a death knell.

  • momoro 14 years ago

    Agreed.

    The article basically says "I don't pay for dropbox, therefore it will fail." The backup for this is "Dropbox is a feature, not a product." And "other companies that I have made this statement about have failed."

    Somehow this isn't convincing for me at all.

  • vidar 14 years ago

    My guess is that this is not necessarily the opinion of the writer, he was just given the task of writing a short article with a contrarian view on Dropbox.

bigiain 14 years ago

I've often thought they need a lower tier than the $100/year option. I get a remarkable amount of value from Dropbox, but somehow knowing I'm only using < 20% of the free tier makes it psychologically difficult to justify paying them $100/yr. If there were an option to pay $20 or $30 or so for what I'm getting for free, I'd probably just do it. $100 is a little too far outside the no-brainer price range for me though... (I guess by the time you get to "9 digit acquisition offer" size, a "donate via Paypal" button would look pretty low-rent...)

  • aneth 14 years ago

    Why would you pay for what they happily offer for free?

    • 0x12 14 years ago

      To make sure they stay in business? I think a lot of people are more than happy to pay for useful services just to keep them in business. As long as the utility is larger than the price charged transactions will be made.

      One website I'm familiar with has a freemium product, lots of users there pay just to support the site, even if they never actually use the premium bits.

      • aneth 14 years ago

        Ok, why would you pay for Dropbox of you didn't have to and they didn't ask you to? They clearly are not going out of business, at least until something better comes along.

wisty 14 years ago

Who cares if it's a feature, not a product? The question is - is it a vertical or horizontal feature? You can't sell cut-and-paste, because there's no advantage in having the same cut and paste on every device (no horizontal advantage), and you'll lose out to the manufactures ability to bake deeply integrated cut-and-paste into the OS (big advantage for the vertical implementations). For file sync, there's not a huge need for vertical integration (OK, Erik Sink's written about how different platforms can be a PITA - http://www.ericsink.com/entries/quirky.html, but it's still possible if you have the resources and smarts); and you have a huge advantage over horizontal players, because people want their data safe on different devices.

There's a little company called Microsoft, which sold OSes. The OS is just a feature of computers. They had the chops to smooth over the vertical issues (drivers, etc), and got boosted by the horizontal advantages (your programs work on any computer with Windows). So the OS became a product, not a feature, because it carved out a large horizontal niche, blowing away the vertically integrated "features".

corin_ 14 years ago

> A feature is something that really belongs or can easily be built into something that already exists.

Such a loose definition that really can be bent to fit whatever point you want to make.

Forbes is a feature not a product, Apple could provide the content themselves and people would just get it on their iPhone, who needs a seperate company creating it?

Gmail is a feature not a product, it belongs in your phone's operating system or in a product such as MS Office.

Realistically feature vs. product is subjective, it is entirely down to whether users want to use a seperate service on an integrated one.

To move away from the web startup world, how about satnav systems as an example. We all know they can be built into cars, and that's been happening for a while, and for those cars that have them, it is certainly a feature of the car. That hasn't killed the companies selling dedicated systems, such as TomTom.

Or for computer hardware, speakers are really just a feature of your computer, not a seperate product, yet people still buy speakers that aren't a part of their PC, just connected to them.

Both these examples, it is possible to get them as features rather than products, but the demand for standalone products has kept them in existance.

antihero 14 years ago

The great thing about Dropbox is that it is a feature. Why? Because it's decoupled from any other product - with iCloud, I have to buy into the OSX/iOS ecosystem, which even if I wanted to do, I can't afford. With Dropbox, their product has no reason not to support as many different OS as possible - so I can have a mac syncing with an Android, etc.

theBobMcCormick 14 years ago

Given that Gartner estimated OSX as having only about 10% of the desk/laptop market share in 2011, the idea that Dropbox is going to be put out of business by iCloud is laughably ignorant. Unless Apple decides to make iCloud available to Windows users, but IMHO that seems unlikely.

The competition isn't much better on the MS side. Windows has the bulk of the desktop/laptop users, but it's pretty unlikely for them to offer a file sync client that'll work with the iPhone or Android, and Windows Phone 7 is still looking for an audience.

I do agree that Dropbox could do a lot to make their person-to-person sharing more compelling and easy.

dustinupdyke 14 years ago

In those critical first few seconds where I am determining if I want to read further, and instead I have to battle text jumping around because of ads, it makes me wonder if anyone at Forbes cares about usability.

inuhj 14 years ago

"There is also the question of how Dropbox is different from an online backup service available on a file-by-file basis across multiple machines. That is how I use Dropbox, only occasionally sharing files in Dropbox with friends and coworkers."

And with that I realized I had wasted my time reading this article. How can a journalist be so oblivious to the primary use case of a product?

grimen 14 years ago

I use Dropbox as of today, but I would easily - already considered it - replace it with multiple alternatives. The valuation of Dropbox got me choking more than LinkedIn valuation; they aren't worth a fraction of that. Every reality-checked human on this planet knows that. They should have accepted Apples offer, I think Bitcasa will get it instead.

SecretofMana 14 years ago

"(I should probably do a post explaining why Evernote is an application and Dropbox only a feature.)"

Yes, this would be great. A lot of this article seems to be based on the author's very loose and short definition of a feature, so I didn't really get a lot out of it. A comparison would help me better understand the point trying to be made here.

ctdonath 14 years ago

If Dropbox solves this, they're golden: http://xkcd.com/949/

If they don't, they'll die.

  • gergles 14 years ago

    Copy it into ~/Dropbox/Public. Right-click, Dropbox, Copy public link. Paste. Done.

    • zwigby 14 years ago

      That's assuming you have drop box install on the computer, have an account. The point is my mom doesn't have a dropbox account so she's still sol in this example.

      This isn't particularly on topic though.

theSshow 14 years ago

How about Ubuntu One? They have Ubuntu, Windows, iOS, and Android support plus 5 GB of free storage. Mac support doesn't exist yet, but hopefully it'll be coming soon: https://one.ubuntu.com/

kevinalexbrown 14 years ago

Dropbox executed well. But where can Dropbox expand to? Unless dropbox can get better and better, eventually the competition will catch up.

Better device and product integration? That will require more and more cooperation from Windows, Apple, and Google.

  • antihero 14 years ago

    It already supports Android, OSX, Linux, Windows...

    I'd quite like it if they had Music syncing option, mind.

    • kevinalexbrown 14 years ago

      Music syncing, etc. was what I was referring to. I don't think they'll flame out right away, but in 5 years, what will they have that doesn't ship with your OS?

      • ja2ke 14 years ago

        "Dropbox" is becoming a verb. They need to keep that up, so people ask if their device has Dropbox, or more appropriately (if incorrectly), ask if it "can Dropbox?"

        It is a feature, a service, but so is Netflix, and Dropbox isn't encumbered by movie studios. They just have the neat "whoa this is almost magic" part.

  • antihero 14 years ago

    It already supports Android, OSX, Linux, Windows...

mynameishere 14 years ago

He's correct. Eventually Apple and Microsoft will replace dropbox with tiny, tiny, tiny branches in their codebases. Unless they come up with a different product, that's their fate.

flocial 14 years ago

Box.net is giving away 50GB to anyone that signs up or logs in through their mobile app. It's an amazing service but Steve Jobs is right when he says it's a feature.

  • mahyarm 14 years ago

    Box.net's dropbox-like sync program for desktops is a paid account only feature too. And your limited to small file sizes. It guts the usefulness of that 50GB.

mahyarm 14 years ago

Is a car stereo head unit a product or a feature?

  • 0x12 14 years ago

    It's a feature of a car when you buy it, it's a product when you upgrade the crappy unit that came with the car for something a bit nicer.

mindstab 14 years ago

iCloud is useless to anyone not exclusively using Apple products. How are they even a threat right now?

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