Can PostgreSQL pickup where MySQL left off?

#2 - even if you don't store binaries, just very long posts, it's a problem.

#4 - whether it's a misconception or not, the majority of tutorials and even the default utilities make that assumption. Working around that is not something as widely documented as the defaults.

Also, forum software is a big arena. Not being able to get accurate count() values back hurt(s) postgresql. It's hurting people who now rely on MySQL's innodb as well, but you always have the option of MyISAM for certain tables that you want accurate count()s on for pagination. I've heard for years that "it's so easy to do this in PostgreSQL, just write some triggers and stored procedures... " yet... if it's "so easy", why not just bundle that in as default functionality (or perhaps even just a script that would create triggers for you) in postgresql?

I don't ever recall hearing about the "embedded linkable and serverless variant" of MySQL, and have been doing PHP since 1996. Perhaps it was a licensing issue? MySQL seemed to take off largely due to a rise in PHP, but sqlite seems to have taken off more because of embeddability and the public domain aspect of it first, well, before I ever saw PHP adoption of sqlite.

> 2) There was an effective row size limit of 8K over the whole row which worked against people who wrote forum software and were (ugh) storing binaries in the database.

Could you not just use the dedicated TEXT or BLOB type for that kind of stuff, and store them out-of-row? (yes, would probably have been even slower)

MySQL was simple.

You didn't have to deal with schema/tablespaces, or the chance that someone used stored procs, or security (almost everyone just used the equivalent of a root account).

MySQL just worked.

For the most part, with zero monitoring, it stayed working until the server ran out of disk space or died.

MySQL was always available.

No matter which hosting company you looked at, no matter how little you wanted to spend, MySQL was pre-installed and ready for use.

I never thought it was the better choice, but I understood why it dominated. Once things like Wordpress, vBulletin, phpBB and other stuff was written only for MySQL the choice was then made for you.

I've long been a fan of applications that give you a choice of DB, but it's now unrealistic as many applications have designed schemas to cope with the quirks and limitations of MySQL specifically. These would now be harder to migrate than simply changing a database string, and most application devs don't invest in such things when what they have works well enough and is all anyone is asking for.

MySQL is a triumph of branding and fanboy self-delusion.

MySQL made it easier initially by omitting lots of difficult stuff (data integrity, management, transactions) thus making easier to get something working quickly. It also had a reputation for being faster then PostgreSQL, a reputation spread by fanboys (in truth people who were bigging up the only database they had a faint comprehension of).

Then it became ubiquitious. Now, like some nasty rash, we can't get rid of it.

MySQL (MyISAM, really) was faster for loading chunks of text and spitting them into Perl and PHP. Back in the 133Mhz days, people cared about that. Given that MyISAM was pretty much flat files in a clown suit, you didn't get much in the way of serious database functionality.

I can say from a web dev's perspective that the ubiquitousness of MySQL is only part of the allure (an important part though). MySQL makes simple stuff very easy to implement, it's a great solution if you just want your database to store your stuff and get out of the way. Sure, like any other DB it requires some expertise if you want performance, but it makes this incredibly simple. It just works and you don't spend a lot of time arguing with the software.

It also has a single feature that I find incredibly cool: it supports automatically generated row IDs. It's been a while since I last tried Oracle and Postgres, but at the time you had to create a second table just for a sequence number and it was extremely awkward to handle.

Could the auto-increment feature in MySQL be better? Sure, for example it would be nice to have an option where the row is identified by a hash value instead of a continuous sequence. But even in its limited form today it beats having to wrestle with the glued-together equivalent as implemented in "real databases".

MySQL was popular for the same reason No-SQL is - it lacked features, but it was fast as hell with no tuning. Postgres did more, so it had to be slower, and it was tuned to work on minimal resources (and not steal all your RAM). Like MongoDB today, MySQL was tuned to work fast, at the costs of both reliability, and being a poor citizen on a shared host.

There are other factors - you could limit its use of disk space (so hosts liked it), but mostly it was a good key-value store with some database functionality.

People who wanted a "real" database used Postgres. People who wanted to write a web app used MySQL.

I seem to faintly remember that in the beginning Postgres was Unix only, and MySQL was available for Windows, too.

Well, MySQL has been easier to set up, that cannot be underestimated; I've basically saved off a pair of configuration files I've just reused a dozen times to set up PostgreSQL. MySQL also works pretty fast right out of the box, if you data is smaller than physical memory, it might be nearly as fast as you can make it by default. PostgreSQL has fairly conservative performance settings when first installed, you can make it really sing but it takes some tuning and in some cases that tuning requires a fairly deep understanding of your data. Think most MySQL users are not DBAs, all the data specific settings for a PostgreSQL like database might frighten them some; it's a really odd juxtaposition when you think about it, stereotypically, geeks are drawn to the knobs and dials you can play with but I honestly think in this case it turned them away.

Then a little bit of support from ISPs and corporations and it's a no-brainer for most folks. All the oss CMS and blogs and everything support MySQL really really well. ALl the ISPs pretty much use MySQL as the "database" solution.

The query browser and admin tools were easier to use. They weren't really better, rather the presentation was simpler. The Postgres tools (pgAdmin) shows a little too much detail right away (namespaces, etc.) and looks a lot more complicated to use which might put off people who just need to get it working and build from there.

When I first got into full-time pro web development (about a decade ago), I started learning PHP. Just about every tutorial I read or book I wished I could afford had 'MySQL' next to 'PHP' as though they were one in the same.

From there forward, any time I was looking into a new host, they ALL had both PHP and MySQL. Any job I was bidding, discussion I was having in IRC or on Forums, anywhere - the two came as a matching set. I can't say that's WHY it became more popular, but I've always assumed their popularity were closely aligned.

Right now - the biggest problem is Wordpress which has ZERO postgres support. A PG-supported version of Wordpress will go a long, long way in popularizing Postgres.

MySQL got the wrong results faster.

I actually think the license had very little to do with its popularity. The fact that MySQL was a lot simpler than Pg made it popular.

Many forks exists to deal with this situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL#Forks

that's a good comparison. We use MySQL and PostGre both in our organization and the deciding factor is mainly cost.