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55 points by packym 5 years ago · 22 comments

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altdataseller 5 years ago

Packy is gaming Hacker news. Telling his friends to upvote this. He’s a sly marketer.

platz 5 years ago

> In the real-world, we obviously wouldn’t be able to manually mark the papers, they would automatically be marked based on actual data

marked automatically by who, and why is outsourcing the information to an 'automatic' third-party a "proof"? Why should that third-party be trusted?

  • mcdee 5 years ago

    In this case the third party could be the employer that pays the salary, or the bank that receives it.

    The decision to trust the issuer or not is down to the entity viewing the information, and depends on the particular requirements of the situation. A zero-knowledge proof that I am over 25 issued by my local library may be enough for the local theatre to let me in to watch a suitably rated movie, but not for the local bar to let me purchase liquor (in the latter case a proof directly from a government entity would be more appropriate).

    • platz 5 years ago

      This is a different definition of proof that what I'm used to

atweiden 5 years ago

In the context of blockchain scalability, IIUC off-chain verifiers only periodically settle on-chain. How much damage can a malicious verifier do?

tidydata 5 years ago

Yikes, was looking to read something a bit more technical but the writing felt tacky and amateurish. Reminds me a lot of what LinkedIn is like.

  • yellow_lead 5 years ago

    Because it's written by someone who (as they admit) first learned about it recently from a tweet. It appeals to laymen very well, but conflates "Zero knowledge" and "Zero knowledge proofs" throughout the article. Not sure if that's intentional or not.

    Edit: Learned it was important from a recent tweet*. it seems the author may have already known what they are.

  • packymOP 5 years ago

    no worse insult than LinkedIn-like :(

Passthepeas 5 years ago

Monero is referred to as a zkp coin in this article; but afaik it is cryptonote based, using a combination of mixing and stealth-addresses and doesn't actually use zero-knowledge proofs. Did that change at some point or was this said in error?

I think this is still a fantastic article as an introduction to the concept, I hope it is not removed.

hanniabu 5 years ago

Thank you blockchain for funding its advancement

mt_ 5 years ago

Is this the ponzi of the week?

girriPal 5 years ago

For those more technically inclined: Zero Knowledge Proof (with Avi Wigderson) - Numberphile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ovdoxnfFVc

girriPal 5 years ago

This was a great read. What are some other interesting links on Zero Knowledge?

am33 5 years ago

wow surprised your submissions here werent beloved

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