Show HN: Hacker News-ish stock news, from 40+ sources
steez.newsFWIW I don't think that you can really do this without moderation. Financial news is one area where curation shines particularly strongly, considering how strong monetary and information gain collide.
Benzinga / Motley Fool / Seeking Alpha / Business Wire / Forbes aren't places to find worthwhile information.
Was just going to say basically the same thing, though you are wrong about Business Wire (the source of some original press releases with high value).
This site would be better with way fewer sources, paradoxically. Probably 5-7 are all you need.
I pay a small fortune for Bloomberg each year and get notifications of all news on a list of stocks ~200 long. Most of the notifications are spammy lawyer press releases. Bloomberg has made no effort to curate this intelligently. Yes I know I can manually ignore certain keywords, but that's a pain and constantly evolves, it seems.
Curation is indeed paramount in the financial news industry, where much news is automatically regurgitated to generate page views/ad revenue.
If you're long these stocks, shouldn't you ignore most of the news related to them anyway? How does it impact your decision-making? Why is the subscription worth it?
I'm only long a subset and just want to be notified of actual news (primarily defined as publications and SEC filings from the companies), not deadlines to be the plaintiff to sue the companies, for example.
Ok this makes sense. As Ntrails points out I actually misread your comment.
The list is 200 long, no positional information was likely intended
A few years ago 27 people were charged with fraud for being paid to pump stocks with hundred of articles these sorts of platforms under the guise of unbiased news. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2017-79
>The SEC today released an investor alert warning that articles on an investment research website that appear to be an unbiased source of information or provide commentary on multiple stocks may be part of an undisclosed paid stock promotion. Investors should never make an investment based solely on information published on an investment research website. When making an investment decision, thoroughly research the company using multiple sources.
> using multiple sources.
That recommendation of theirs is ironic considering the “scheme” consists _of_ said multiple sources.
There is so much noise out there. Hence, I rolled my own site (finclout) where relevant news is aggregated across several vectors leveraging social media arbitrage. So far its really profitable and brings peace to my mind to not miss a news item about a stock that I like. Further, Motley Fool is blacklisted. That's is a crap FOMO side.
any plans to make this site public?
Haven't decided yet. Because technically, I don't need it.
A full public record of posts / pumps correlated by IP, country, device fingerprint, and equities they're pushing... with a free API... now we'd be talking about some interesting reverse engineering.
Just saying this bluntly is valuable to a lot of people
It looks like it relies on whatever curation https://stocknewsapi.com/ provides. So "moderation"/curation is being done, but not by steez.
where do you expect to find stock analyses that were written and published with no afterthought? All these authors have some sort of hidden agenda, don't they? Sometimes you find a useful hint at the start of some hype though.
Very true. I would gladly pay for a feed of financial news, but instead of "clicks" it optimizes on market movement. News articles from sources that, in the past, have predicted market activity.
I.e. "this blog mentioned NYSE:TEVA, and the next day the stock moved materially, therefore site_ranking++". (You'd probably have some TF/IDF saliency metric too, so that a site that mentions all stocks is penalized.)
That's why a site like biztoc.com makes sense — curation + aggregation.
Looks good, but the login-mechanism is pure trash. It does not allow you to make account+password, but forces you to click a "magic link" in order to login.
It was written in big letters, "dont worry we wont spam".
3 minutes later: 2 emails in my inbox. One of them "BizToc is made possible by Mark Cuban & Thomas Marban. If you’re enjoying it, please invite your friends & colleagues."
This is pure spam and I do not like it.
There is a difference between a single onboarding email and actual spam. Magic links — love or hate em, but more and more services use them. Klarna, Vercel, ...
Did I ask for an "onboarding email"? I certainly did not.
And yes, I chose to hate them.
I strongly suspect that a popular news resource focusing on stocks is liable to be overrun with bots or ‘sponsored content’, either with or without moderators’ blessing/compensation. It’s the niche where information asymmetry and financial gain are so awkwardly close.
Financial news is like a TV channel that plays nothing but commercials. In the sense that every story is trying to get you to do something very specific that enriches the storyteller.
I don't know why anybody would want that.
> I don't know why anybody would want that.
I think the answer is probably something like gambling addiction.
While I use a very basic/standard passive investing approach myself, I do believe there are people who have genuine skill at active investing, particularly when they are handling relatively small amounts of money.
But I don't think any of them get there by absorbing walls of buy/sell recommendations.
That is not precisely true? When an article runs about a merger announcement, or earnings releases or even a new supplier relationship or big sale agreement... all those things are legitimate news that should affect your expected future cashflows.
I think there is a realm of events in general, and a realm of financial investments.
As a rule, events affect investments.
Because of that, the choice of which events to report and which to disregard (one cannot report literally everything, so criteria always apply), from which angle to interpret events (selectively omitting or highlighting aspects can go a long way), etc. is inevitably influenced by financial interests of link aggregator or link submitter, who would certainly like their existing investments to appreciate and their future investments to depreciate—and the more they did or plan to invest, the more they stand to gain or lose.
This already applies to news in general, and it just seemed to me it’d be amplified to rampant intensity if we are talking not any news, but stock news specifically. Not to discard the idea, but to highlight the value of such a platform as a target for manipulation, should it gain traction.
Sounds like the iOS stocks app. Just junk robo-articles it pulls in.
Wow this site is fast. Well done. FWIW you can use AdSense/ad tags within LiveView, if you're using that. There's an attribute you need to set - Google it - I can't recall atm, but I got it working just fine on one of my sites to refresh ads and also take advantage of LiveViews speed for user engagement.
Thanks @kuzee! Much appreciated :)
I appreciate that info on LiveView, I plan on digging into it!
The public-facing pages of this site aren't currently using LiveView, but I see it on the horizon.
For speed considerations, I'm actually caching news stories in memory using the excellent Cachex (https://github.com/whitfin/cachex) library.
I don't think Google will let you run ads on a news aggregator site w/o unique content. [1]
I think you're right @sakopov. Luckily, I don't intend on adding ads here :)
I'm just glad to share this site with the community and hope people get some value from it!
Motley Fool is really awful. Every article is just click bait trying to get people into their sales funnel.
I couldn’t agree more, it’s terrible and they should be ashamed of themselves for being so useless. I remember when Yahoo Finance was really good as a content aggregator we had dozens of contracts with news sources which you could filter etc. Plus the message boards that were some of the best on the internet. YFin has devolved into something unrecognizable (and horrible).
I'm a fan of HN-style information minimalism. How are you parsing the sources and ranking the display, out of interest? Are you using NewsAPI or grabbing RSS feeds directly or something like that?
Good luck. It looks good.
[Edit just saw it's stocknewsapi]
Hey @jedwhite! Thanks, I appreciate the feedback! Yeah I'm pretty much relaying from https://stocknewsapi.com :)
I've been using them for about 2 years and they have an awesome team and service.
The top 6 articles on this site are "$X thinks $Y stock is worth $Z". It looks incredibly boring. Sorry.
I find https://finviz.com/news.ashx to be mostly useful. "Real" news on the left, "opinion" on the right. Some of the blogs, like calculated risk, are actually very cut/dried just the facts. ZH for anything other than bond markets is for amusement value only.
I have been working on a stock market analytics tool, here is the news section: https://quantale.io/dashboard/latest-news
It tracks real-time data from Reddit, Twitter, Newsmedia, SEC Filings and Financial Data of over 10000 stock tickers.
It is in super alpha right now so please be more tolerant of bugs and issues. thank you
Hey nice idea- I am looking at building a dashboard style web app like yours. Have you used any frameworks here or rolled your own? - I am on mobile or id take a closer look myself.
I am developing a big data collection and visualization platform called QuantaleCore that powers https://quantale.io
The platform allows users to code and launch a container which gets data into the DB and from there everything else is abstracted. There is a generic API that can be used to request that data from DB without writing any code and then on frontend I am developing a library that helps me hook these generic endpoints to different visualizations that I want just like kibana or grafana.
So QuantaleCore is like an end to end replacement for Elasticsearch + Logstash + Kibana
My email is on my profile. Email me if you would like to discuss it more. I would be happy to give you a demo.
Also I'd like to be able to read the reddit comment without having to leave the site if possible. Am liking it though, already been down a few rabbit holes. Good stuff.
thanks for the suggestion, I am adding a feature to expand the comment in the view itself and user will be able to read the full comment without leaving the site.
Don't know about stocks, but I'd really like this interface for a regular news site: good, bad, event, sector, country (the country interface looks particularly nice). And then use labels to indicate type of news (instead of stock symbol). Not sure what the colored dots mean though.
I would be willing to pay money for a service that would allow me to a) pick sources (or ability to opt out of certain sources) and b) follow specific tickers and c) mass import tickers (ie ability to cut and paste a huge list of tickers from my watchlists that I want to follow).
not to hijack the thread but I am working on https://quantale.io/dashboard/start, you should check it out. You can filter the data by ticker and soon I am adding watch list to monitor those particular tickers. thanks
Nice product! Great job! I think this can be pretty useful.
What do you use to get the news/aggregates ? Any specific API?
Is it open source?
And is the sentiment only based on title? I built a similar product not long ago, would love to see how how it's built and perhaps contribute :)
Thanks, much appreciated! I'm glad you find it somewhat useful :)
Honestly, it was super simple to put together; I pull data from https://stocknewsapi.com, which I've found to be very high quality and reliable (I'm using their sentiment classifications as well, so not exactly sure what model is behind that).
The project isn't currently open source, but I'm definitely considering it. I built it with Elixir + Phoenix, with a couple main objectives:
- Familiarize myself with Tailwind - Set up a really smooth developer experience - Learn about deploying Elixir + Phoneix apps - Build something of some use!
I'd love to see your project as well – happy to discuss more!
hey checkout my similar project at https://quantale.io/dashboard/latest-news, any feedback is appreciated. thanks
Just launched https://biztoc.com [w/ Investment from Mark Cuban]
You might want to change the background color imo. The blueish text on blue background makes it hard on my eyes.
The whole thing looks pretty gaudy in general.
The "toc" in the name makes me think of TikTok. But the site looks pretty reddit-like. Any similarity to TikTok or where does the toc come from?
Just had it in my portfolio (before TikTok), you could say it's an abbr. for Table of Contents.
Table of Contents? I have no relation with this site but when I see "toc" I think that.
I read it as "Business Table of Contents" personally.
I got some 502 errors Would you mind to share some stats about current number of concurrent visitors?
Isn't this just an rss feed agregator?
@paulpauper, it's pretty much a UI on top of the awesome Stock News API (https://stocknewsapi.com).
I really just built it to get acquainted with Elixir + Phoenix, and wanted to share it with the community :)
I also made something similar: https://FinURLs.com – a neat finance news aggregator.
You need commentary
I'd go the other way, please don't add commentary and a good way to monetize this kind of site would be to charge for access to a separate related forum/discourse instance. Optionally you could show comments if someone wants to see them on the page (or include a link to the dedicated forum thread for every post).
Having commentary on a site like this is a great way to turn into WSB/StockTwits and/or have people attempting to pump and dump.
> Having commentary on a site like this is a great way to turn into WSB/StockTwits
I don't know; I'd be pretty pleased to be running (and monetizing!) a site at the scale & impact of WSB.
Fair point -- if the goal is monetization/stickiness-for-advertising instead of quality (no moral judgement on my part) then maybe it does make sense to encourage the "engagement" of users in that way.
I wonder if it's harder to stand-out as an WSB/StockTwits alternative or as a product for investors looking for a "better" news source.
HN biggest achievement is its civil, informative, curated, comment section. Without comments, you have "stock news from 40+ sources", just not "Hacker News-ish".
I really appreciate both points of view here! Thanks for your feedback :)
I honestly just built this project as a tool to aggregate market news for myself and build something simple with Elixir + Phoenix.
I don't have any plans to add commentary – but I do intend to keep it running and building things that are helpful to myself and the community!
I was the original inventor of Popurls (which Guy Kawasaki cloned as Alltop). Popurls is dead after I sold it to Idealab some ten years a go but I've recently come up with https://upstract.com
Thanks
Reuters links are all dead and seem to be very old
I shall try it and then complain to you when I don't have a Lambo next week. /sarcasm
Looks good.
FYI: you can trade such news 24/7 on FTX, by just depositing crypto.
example: https://ftx.com/trade/SPY/USD