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Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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17 points by Stronico 5 years ago · 28 comments

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practicalpants 5 years ago

The idea of it being wrong to have a "my country first" government is a pretty unusual one, because the alternative is having prosperity fleeced by rivals. It's like a tech company saying they aren't going to compete anymore and slowly give away assets while lowering employee salaries. Would love to move beyond nationalism but you simply can't when the world's second largest economy (perhaps first soon) is the most ethnic-nationalistic country in recent history.

  • smnrchrds 5 years ago

    The alternative is cooperation. Do you remember the beginning of the pandemic when US states were in a bidding war over PPE and the US federal government was seizing PPE shipments going to Canada? That went away with better inter-state and state-federal cooperation, not more nationalism (or state-ism or whatever). Why should the procedure that works for US states, Canadian provinces, and EU member states (i.e. distributing doses based on population) not work on a larger scale?

  • bxrxdx 5 years ago

    I think there are a few high profile examples where nationalism caused some problems...

    • mantas 5 years ago

      ... fuelled by appeasement of democracies...

      • throwaway6734 5 years ago

        The rise of Hitler was due to the German people, not the democracies that brought Germany back to sanity

        • mantas 5 years ago

          Democracies missed plenty of chances to bring sanity back at much much lower costs. Be it not intervening at Rhein remilitarisation or Czechoslovakia giveaway

mikece 5 years ago

Hardly surprising. Say what you will about the person elected to the office of POTUS but if their dominant attitude is "America First" then it shouldn't be a surprise if policies -- and the result of policies -- actually put America first or at the head of the line. I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. I have to imagine their massive brain trust of medical and biotech has something to do with it.

ThePhysicist 5 years ago

I don't think this should be on HN as it's really not tech-related and will most likely lead to heated political discussion.

low_tech_love 5 years ago

I’m pretty sure the author is right that, in some kind of game-theoretical way, the ”artificial boundaries” and a healthy nationalist attitude is for sure beneficial. The problem is that I think social media turned us all into extremists. You can’t say the word ”nationalist” without being labeled a nazi, because the person labeling you a nazi is getting points with his/her crowd. On the other hand, you can’t say ”let’s not screw other countries over” without being labeled a communist or some such, because again, points are being won. Most of the discussion completely fails to capture the complex nuances of real politics, and passion, hate, and distress end up being used as an instrument for other, completely different means. So yeah... a bit of healthy me-first is not bad at all (as long as you’re not using it to disguise the fact that you are, indeed, a nazi).

  • jessfyi 5 years ago

    I mean the substack author is far from someone who ejects nuance into any topic, they have a very clear right-wing bias (some of which I'd clearly note as actually extremist) by looking at their other articles. Some if I named or posted here I'd clearly be banned.

    Not sure why you think this flimsy evidence holds when the author's actual intent is "nationalism is good actually." Vaccine distribution/contracting is significantly more complicated that this binary analysis.

maxerickson 5 years ago

The US is a wealthy country that is directly producing an awful lot of vaccines, we'd likely be vaccinating a lot more people with Moderna than any other country even if there were not national control of the distribution.

In the medium term, vaccinating US people first and fast is a great way to sell them on building lots of production capacity.

uniqueid 5 years ago

Why not "Want a Vaccine? Elect a megalomaniacal warlord and plunder it from a less powerful nation"?

browningstreet 5 years ago

Maybe there’s more to ending this pandemic than a vaccine.

nvoid 5 years ago

How does Israel manage to be over 100 per 100 vaccinated?

wideareanetwork 5 years ago

This glosses over the fact that it’s Biden who has actually executed on a vaccination plan. And he doesn’t fit with the articles overall premise. And Trump is the opposite of what this article is asserting - he’s me first conservative but he didn’t have any plan at all for vaccination, according to news reports.

  • nvoid 5 years ago

    I am pretty sure this has already been proven wrong. Please give credit where credit is due. If it weren't for operation Warp Speed [1] and the millions of doses bought under the Trump administration, Biden wouldn't have anything to take the credit for [2]. CNN neglected to credit the Trump administration for this. Yes, his (Trump's) handling of the crisis was awful but it doesn't help to lie.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed [2] https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/biden-should-credit-trump-on-c...

    Edit: Clarity

    • maxerickson 5 years ago

      It's likely quite true that the Biden administration has increased the speed of vaccination, with Warp Speed providing the base they built from. Hard to make a concrete argument about how much difference, but I think the direction is obvious enough.

      • nvoid 5 years ago

        Yeah I don't doubt it, I just wanted to straighten out the facts.

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