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Apple's Retail Philosophy - Employees reveal calculated culture

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49 points by abhigupta 15 years ago · 27 comments

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tptacek 15 years ago

You could substitute "carefully designed" for "calculated", which has a negative cast not justified by the WSJ's story. Details about Apple's retail culture include:

* The stores were consciously designed to be uncluttered and less threatening than big-box electronic stores, and benefit from fewer locations and a focus on a single brand.

* The retail operation is run by seasoned retail veterans, not CS majors.

* Growth in Apple's retail locations is strong and beats the general trend of decline in retail in general.

* It's hard to get a job in Apple retail, at least compared to other retail jobs.

* It doesn't pay much better than typical retail jobs.

* Retail is not a good career path into Apple corporate.

* You can't write online about Apple and expect to keep a job at an Apple store.

* Apple retail employees don't get sales commission and are trained not to sell, although you can get reassigned if you upsell fewer AppleCare plans than Apple expects of its retail team.

* If you've found Apple employees to be unthreatening, helpful, laid back, and easygoing, that's because Apple trained its team to do that.

* Don't be repeatedly late or you'll get fired.

  • tvon 15 years ago

    Indeed, how calculating, it's almost as if someone at Apple read "How to Win Friends & Influence People".

gaius 15 years ago

I was in the Apple store in Covent Garden recently, I knew what I wanted and had phoned in advance to check they had it, so I was just there to pick it up. As a former consultant, I am trained in exactly these sorts of techniques, and can easily spot them, and Apple's training is too good. I don't know how it is to regular people, but the Apple employees I spoke to were downright creepy. Whatever the actual-human equivalent of the "uncanny valley" is. I'll stick to the online store I think and just deal with the hassle of having to be in when I'm expecting a courier.

  • tptacek 15 years ago

    The "technique" you're talking about is "not trying to sell stuff". That bothers you?

    • gaius 15 years ago

      The technique is "quickly build a rapport with this person". It feels like being manipulated just as much as outright sales technique, because, well, it is.

      • JonnieCache 15 years ago

        Agreed. Don't know if it's like this everywhere, but the apple retail employees I've dealt with have all been creepy like this. The uncanny valley is a good analogy. It's like being sold stuff using mental judo by NLP robots. I occasionally also get the feeling when talking to them that I might suddenly wake up and realise that I've been having a dream about being trapped in an aspirational TV advert.

        But I'm british so maybe the whole thing just clashes with our general mistrust of our brother man. We just can't really believe that anyone is actually being nice to us for no benefit to themselves.

        • alanthonyc 15 years ago

          "But I'm British..."

          That's interesting. I wonder if gaius is also. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I find Apple Store employees to be extra "friendly", if that's the word, but not overly so.

      • napierzaza 15 years ago

        It's true. They should act as if they don't like you and can't be bothered. Did you read that WSJ article where they unveiled that they aren't trying to directly sell to you? Oh, it's this one.

  • wunderfool 15 years ago

    agreed. i'd rather have a genuine conversation with a real human.

    as an aside, i think the interior design motif of the stores has grown stale

MatthewPhillips 15 years ago

Not selling can have a negative impression on the customer, though. I have noticed that they don't sell hard; I interpreted it as hubris. That my sale is unimportant to them because of how crowded the place always is. It's one thing to play it cool but you also shouldn't seem disinterested or make the customer feel unimportant.

GBond 15 years ago

link to WSJ article sited http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230456310457636...

  • tptacek 15 years ago

    As usual, you can read the whole thing by searching for the headline ("Secrets From Apple's Genius Bar: Full Loyalty, No Negativity") on Google News. This AdWeek summary add no value and inserts a weirdly sensationalized headline.

learc83 15 years ago

Having worked at Best Buy during college and for a few years after, this is what Best Buy has been trying to do for a while now.

They try to encourage solving problems, and building rapport instead of selling. However, the problem with Best Buy is follow through.

This kind of training comes down from corporate, but the district managers are allowed to run their districts like their own little fiefdom. Since most of the district managers (and store managers) got to where they are b/c they are great salesmen, they push the salesman attitude onto everyone else.

  • morganw 15 years ago

    > building rapport instead of selling[...] This kind of training comes down from corporate, but the district managers are allowed to run their districts like their own little fiefdom.

    So then what's the point? Why pretend to have a retail philosophy if individual salespeople are sent out on the floor to hawk satellite subscriptions?

astrofinch 15 years ago

Based on the article, Apple seems pretty effective with this--I'm curious if non-Apple salespeople would be more effective if they followed these principles, or if it only works for Apple.

Apocryphon 15 years ago

This article is a lot shorter than I expected, but it does teach something critical: if someone (especially an Apple employee) uses the phrase "as it turns out", be ready for bad news!

r00fus 15 years ago

One can only hope that JCP will gain a lot of this customer-oriented focus when Ron Johnson is firmly in place.

shithead 15 years ago

> using natural materials like wood, glass, stone and stainless steel.

Boggle. Nature so advanced it includes glass and steel. They grow in trees, I suppose.

StudyAnimal 15 years ago

What shops don't do this?

  • revscat 15 years ago

    Best Buy. Auto dealerships. Any place that tries to upsell you something.

omouse 15 years ago

It's a shame they don't pour more time into making employees happy by giving them better benefits and wages.

  • tptacek 15 years ago

    They're among the most successful retail operations in the world, and are a desirable employer for people working retail. Is there a specific reason you think they should "pour more time into making employees happy", or are you just inclined to say this about any company?

    • sorbus 15 years ago

      There was a thing a while back about Apple's retail employees complaining about low wages and few benefits, but I don't think that the allegations were ever confirmed, or that anything came out of it. The GP may have been referencing that.

      Actually, a bit of Googling shows that this is still going on, with employees trying to unionize. According to [1], one person wants "to form a union to fight for better wages and benefits and to address what he says are unfair practices".

      [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/12/us-apple-idUSTRE75...

      • tptacek 15 years ago

        It's one guy, who says he's gotten little public support. But even if he had a deep wellspring of support: this is supply and demand. Apple is a highly specialized retailer that nonetheless can draw on hundreds of thousands of potentially qualified candidates. How could a union change that dynamic?

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