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Inside Xinjiang’s Prison State

newyorker.com

64 points by seapunk 5 years ago · 31 comments

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charlescearl 5 years ago

I have found the China Neican newsletter [1] to have insightful, contextualized critique of CCP as well as critique of the US+Australian critique.

[1] https://www.neican.org

karmicthreat 5 years ago

I definitely hate China's oppression of its minorities. I think we are seeing the true color of a nation that knows nobody will challenge them. When people try to color it by claiming "different cultural norms!" I just think, well if you just want a culture of evil, this is a good way to do so.

Also I have a smaller hate for the scrollamated site, it's so distracting.

  • swayvil 5 years ago

    They're oppressing the minorities to create greater wealth and power for China's aristocracy (ultimately).

    I know I'm stating the utterly obvious but it needs to be said. This is a natural side-effect of aristocrats doing what aristocrats do.

    And yes, our world suffers from an infestation of aristocrats.

    • karmicthreat 5 years ago

      For a whole lot of Chinese, Han and others, China is a better place than it was 40 years ago. I think this gives the government there more power than it should really have over the attitudes of its people. Maybe as we get 2 or 3 more generations in the general attitude toward the government will shift away from justifying anything for the sake of Chinese unification.

      • baybal2 5 years ago

        Normal Chinese citizens, which means 90% of Chinese population who live in downtrodden rural areas, and 3rd tier cities hate their own government in a way Q-Putsch looks like a childs play.

        Just 2 generations ago, Chinese were dying of starvation. People don't give a fuck for "national unification" if they are one meal away from death.

  • adampk 5 years ago

    I guess I am in the minority but I appreciate the scrollamated site.

    I am slow at picking up information and find visual aids super helpful. An image with all the information on it is really busy and doesn't get through to me very well. But if I can "layer on" information at my desired pace of scrolling, it is a lot easier for me to ingest information than maybe a lot of different images where I have to break and rebuild my mental model each time, or a single image where all the information appears and I need to parse it myself.

    For a slow thinker, this type of "at your own pace" visual guides is pretty nice.

    • hellbannedguy 5 years ago

      I thought it was very well done. If they keep up the good work I might even buy a subscription. I usually don’t like these rolling stories, but this was done differently, and the art work is great.

    • karmicthreat 5 years ago

      I think what would help it for me is if it had the option to page through incrementally. Rather than scrolling back and forth to see what I wanted to.

  • op03 5 years ago

    More like Xi Jinping and the coterie have no opposition and have gone of the deep end.

  • tkgally 5 years ago

    Regarding the site: A big "Yes!"

    I subscribe to the New Yorker, and I sent them a complaint about the unnecessary and distracting cruff. It prevented me from reading the article through to the end.

  • lambda_obrien 5 years ago

    Who's saying China should be allowed to do genocide because of different cultural norms? Sounds stupid to me.

  • threatofrain 5 years ago

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    • vulcan01 5 years ago

      No, I believe you've misunderstood. Apologists for the CCP often claim that there are "differences in cultural values" when trying to explain what's happening in Xinjiang.

Darmody 5 years ago

I had to stop reading. I really, really dislike these kind of animated articles or whatever are they called.

Can't I just scroll down as usual and read the article and watch pictures and videos without having to scroll and scroll?

cwwc 5 years ago

This info has been around for months, if not years. Glad to see it’s finally coming to light in the mainstream (however Mainstream the New Yorker can be deemed).

mhh__ 5 years ago

Given that this is a ycombinator site, has anyone thought about or started a startup (it's a really a product rather than a company, but still) that helps you optimize (say) Chinese products out of your life?

  • Daho0n 5 years ago

    No Chinese products? I believe vegan is possible but no Chinese products? No chance. Not unless you live without electronics. But good idea anyways. Maybe a filter by country so you can optimise American and Israeli products out too.

    • mhh__ 5 years ago

      None is unrealistic but you can at very least minimise the amount of profit that actually stays in China. Progress is always incremental

      • true_religion 5 years ago

        I think a better idea would be to start a made in _____ site which lets customers choose to buy products made mostly within a certain country or set of countries. It can default to counties neighboring to the user, so as to promote locally made goods no matter what your locality is.

  • shp0ngle 5 years ago

    You will more easily eat completely kosher, halal or vegan than be without Chinese-made products.

    It’s impossible.

  • the-dude 5 years ago

    Ah, CancelCultureAsAService. Brilliant.

    • sircastor 5 years ago

      Is that not simply a boycott? Or voting with your wallet? “Cancel culture” has become a term to distort the problem when people start to be called out for bad behavior.

      This is what you do when someone (person, company, country) does something you find objectionable. You tell them their behavior is unacceptable.

    • mhh__ 5 years ago

      Why is it cancel culture to not want to avoid China?

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