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The Life in the Simpsons Is No Longer Attainable

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61 points by keeblers_n_bits 5 years ago · 27 comments

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phaedrus 5 years ago

When I was growing up in the late 80s thru 90s, my family was an early "casualty" of this economic trend. The housing / rental market in Massachusetts was already too expensive and layoffs too rampant for a blue collar family to survive. We had to move across the country.

I remember even as a kid being confused about the Simpsons. It didn't look like my family's situation. It didn't even look like the life of any of the people I knew. They/we lived in houses without switchplates over the outlets. Houses they rent but didn't own, or rent-to-own houses with gotchas in the fine print they didn't understand.

The Simpsons also never went hungry. They had family meals. At my friends' houses we ate microwave potatoes with soda. My family went hungry 3 days at the end of each month.

  • twic 5 years ago

    > They/we lived in houses without switchplates over the outlets

    What's the significance of this? I think this is a nuance of American wiring that is lost on me, i'm afraid.

    • phaedrus 5 years ago

      Yes American outlets are already more dangerous than European style; when the switch plates are missing there are exposed live contacts on the sides.

      I don't know why but it stood out to me how many houses (of friends) I saw where all the switchplates were gone. At some point maybe they're removed for painting/wallpaper, or they just break, and either through a lack of money or lack of motivation never get replaced.

      • souprock 5 years ago

        Traditional outlets have the plates held on by just one screw. That screw runs through a piece of plastic that is just 0.4 inches (10 mm) wide. The screw pulls the whole plate against the wall, which probably sticks out a bit due to an uneven surface. That stress point, right at the screw, will break.

    • realce 5 years ago

      They're poor and their house is pretty shitty.

fwsgonzo 5 years ago

I've seen the graphs showing that the combined costs have risen much more than salaries and such. So it's no surprise. Nobody seems to know what the solution is, other than moving away from the places where the worst inequality is right now.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/05/28/countries-wit...

  • efficax 5 years ago

    <i> Nobody seems to know what the solution is, other than moving away from the places where the worst inequality is right now.</i>

    Taxes! Tax financial gains better and more consistently, tax income more progressively, eliminate tax loopholes, and structure taxation in a way that encourages corporations to raise pay for employees instead of paying out huge dividends etc. to investors.

    Productivity has outpaced income year after year since the 1970s. That difference is going to the people who already have wealth.

    Zoning! Ignore the hue and cry of existing property owners who don't want their property values to fall and rezone to encourage new housing development in desirable areas.

    • DamnYuppie 5 years ago

      Please help me understand this. We have a collective government that has more money than any other country EVER. Yet they can't balance a budget and are massively in debt. If you have people who are very bad at spending money giving them more money isn't going to solve any of their problems.

      We have corrupt officials who are well entrenched in their positions who profit off of it by selling out their constituents to their donors.

      More government isn't the answer. Less government better run and regulated is the key.

      • monkeydreams 5 years ago

        Countries aren't households. They don't retire. They don't have to pay for services in some other authority's scrip. And here is the important part - they don't have the same debt pressures as people.

        It is well and good for a country to accumulate debt for meaningful ends so long as the interest on that debt can be serviced. Hold the debt long enough and inflation will "pay off" the capital for you.

        The belief that "Less Government" is anything other than a point at which thought stops and rationalisation begins is one I cannot grasp. There is mountains of data and counter-examples but people just stop up their ears, screw shut their eyes and thrust their heads downward hoping to find sand. Lack of regulation, particularly around poltics itself, leads to corruption and misrule. Lack of investment can lead to wastefulness.

        More and stronger government is the answer to much of the UK's and US's issues in particular.

        • aeternum 5 years ago

          San Francisco is a great example of more and strong government. There are committees and steering committees to keep the committees accountable, and oversight committees to keep the steering committees accountable.

          However even with all this government oversight, lots of regulation, and very large budget, they haven't been able to make a dent in the major problems like homelessness. Are they doing something wrong?

          • monkeydreams 5 years ago

            > However even with all this government oversight, lots of regulation, and very large budget, they haven't been able to make a dent in the major problems like homelessness.

            All major economies have some problems. There are no binary switches to fix or unfix a problem, especially one as complex as homelessness.

            There is one obvious, and effective, fix for homelessness. Provide homes. This would run into a plethora of issues, many political, some social, but it does solve a shit-ton of issues. When the homeless are provided with homes, they tend to have fewer emergency health interventions, fewer police interactions and cost society much less than leaving them homeless. But I cannot see a nation or a state which is still arguing over whether or not healthcare should bankrupt people will go the extra steps to provide the homeless with free accommodation, especially in SF.

            • mbrodersen 5 years ago

              Portugal (and other countries) shows that there is a way to solve the problem. However most Americans will reject those solutions because they are not punishing the homeless for being homeless/poor/mentally il/drug users.

          • mbrodersen 5 years ago

            Not al all. The average American doesn’t care enough about helping the homeless to accept any of the solutions that have worked for other countries (Portugal for example). In other words, it is the “will of the people” to only solve the problem of homelessness if it can be done with a very limited set of tools (punishment, laws). And those tools won’t solve the problem.

    • realce 5 years ago

      Consumer credit provides upward pressure for the price of goods while removing the composite pressure for wage growth. I think the liberalization of the consumer credit market is the primary catalyst for this situation.

      • tracker1 5 years ago

        Can't disagree there... My home is apparently worth about 30% more today then when I bought (mortgage) it two years ago. That's just insane. Not to mention the price of cars as another large example car loans when I was a kid were maybe 3-4 years, now they're often 7+ on new cars.

    • aronpye 5 years ago

      Or break up large companies and monopolies to promote more competition in the employment marketplace. In addition, bring in more regulations to protect unionisation so employees can demand fairer wages.

      Also, companies should be taxed on revenue rather than profit like individuals. I think this would solve most cases of corporate tax evasion as it is much harder to hide revenue.

    • yellowapple 5 years ago

      > Taxes!

      And specifically, how about a tax on the unimproved value of land? Addresses housing costs pretty readily, and no room for loopholes (you can't exactly move land overseas).

      Replace all taxes with LVT, replace all welfare with UBI, cut all other expenditures to a bare minimum, and bing bang boom you've got a system that works to everyone's interests.

    • tracker1 5 years ago

      While I disagree on the targets of financial gains and income, I think that tariffs and excise taxes along with foreign currency exchange taxes would be more impactful. A significant portion of the issue comes down to the amount of manufacturing that has gone overseas, and with a lot of those at the top having tax havens and/or being incorporated out of the US, the use of financial gains taxes would do very little to curb the tide.

      And despite the increased cost in a lot of things, I think a trade war with China is largely inevitable. As to the increased costs, maybe it would actually get people to think about what they're doing, and other points of concern like Right To Repair legislation. The fact that we buy so many things in our day to day lives that don't even make it 5 years is fucking ridiculous.

  • dionidium 5 years ago

    > Nobody seems to know what the solution is

    Allow me to represent the predictable tech-bro YIMBY perspective: we don’t build enough housing. Supply has lagged behind demand for decades. And still basically everybody opposes new housing near them.

    If “we don’t know the solutions” means “we don’t know what is causing this,” then I think that’s wrong. We definitely know. But if it means “we don’t know how to change course,” then that’s clearly right. It’s a disaster.

  • Tiktaalik 5 years ago

    The article directly points out the decline of union power so unwinding the various anti-union legislation that has appeared in the last few decades would help.

ProjectArcturis 5 years ago

Now we are all Frank Grimes.

  • legerdemain 5 years ago

    Working hard every day of our lives, and yet living above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley.

  • marcodave 5 years ago

    Wasn't the point of that episode to show that Frank Grimes would have been the "regular person" and it was the Simpsons the outliers? showing how the cartoon/sitcom logic is so out out of touch with the harsh reality?

thoughtstheseus 5 years ago

My take is that a large part of this situation is driven by businesses that no longer optimize for people, communities, country, or workers.

mbrodersen 5 years ago

The reality in the US is that the GDP keeps going up, while the majority of Americans are getting poorer. In other words, wealth is moving from the majority (middle class) to the rich. This will continue until America becomes the equivalent of a feudal society.

empressplay 5 years ago

I'm sitting in a house my parents bought 5 years ago that has already doubled(!) in value. Rent in this area for a 1 bedroom apartment averages more than $1200 a month; anyone who can't afford that either lives in a rented room or a tent or has left the area. It's pretty crazy

hycaria 5 years ago

dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25570611

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