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MSI-1436 stimulates regeneration of heart and multiple other tissues

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116 points by nirmalc 6 years ago · 29 comments

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jz_ 6 years ago

The latest news on the compound is from April 2019: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-04/nb-nba041019...

If anyone is interested in a talk by one of the authors (Kevin Strange), he goes into the history of the compound here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aAr5pKW9Dw

For progress on similar lines of tech, this is a good site: https://www.lifespan.io/the-rejuvenation-roadmap/

bitwize 6 years ago

...in zebrafish. Settle down, the answer to all your health problems is still fasting.

  • chrisco255 6 years ago

    "It is particularly noteworthy that MSI-1436 stimulates tissue regeneration in both zebrafish and adult mice, two widely divergent species that are separated by approximately 450 million years of evolution."

    Also paper explained that the drug had been applied in Phase 1 clinical trials with humans as a treatment for diabetes and obesity.

    "Importantly, the doses we have shown to be effective in stimulating tissue regeneration are 5–50-times lower than the maximum well-tolerated human dose."

  • taneq 6 years ago

    Wait till the mice hear about this one!

AstralStorm 6 years ago

Hopefully this works too in Phase 2 and Phase 3 trials. Looks promising.

And doesn't get patented to hell with insane pricing.

  • rootw0rm 6 years ago

    patents don't mean shit. if it's safe, effective, and profitable I'll be able to custom order it soon enough.

    • jokowueu 6 years ago

      Dep nding on how complex the molecule is sometimes they won't even be able to make it . More than the half the group buys on that specific longevity forum failed

      • jakeogh 6 years ago

        Failed like nobody committed to the synthesis?

        • jokowueu 6 years ago

          Failed as in it was too difficult to make . I know of one example. The oral version of glyx-13( nrx-1074 iirc) which a few tried to make and failed . Which is good since the non oral version failed fantastically at the phase 3 trials

      • rootw0rm 6 years ago

        that's absolutely true, i can't deny that. my experience is mostly with cathinones, phenethylamines, and a few substituted amphetamines. oh, and some tryptamines.

        • therein 6 years ago

          I remember getting NSI-189 synthesized by a Polish lab back in the day. An interesting time of my life.

          • DrAwdeOccarim 6 years ago

            Fascinating chemical. Looks like you can buy it around a lot of places now-a-days. Did you notice any benefits from a nootropic standpoint?

            • therein 6 years ago

              This is all anecdotal so probably not enough to be conclusive but I've noticed both a somewhat nootropic but definitely a significantly mood-enhancing effect from it.

              Color were brighter after the first few days. Not psychedelic brighter but bluer blues, greener greens. What I felt was reminiscent of that child-like awe in experiences along with remembering instances of those awe-filled moments I had as a child.

              Looking at the sky and watching the nature (which is something I hadn't been doing in years) made think "I'm lucky to be able to observe this". Looking at the sky and watching the way clouds move brought back flashbacks of probably the last time I had done that as a kid.

              Very interesting chemical indeed. I believe it has a lot of potential.

              After using up my supply, there was no withdrawal or crash. I guess the color enhancement went away gradually over a few months. However I could argue I got permanent memory enhancement from it. I have no data to support it but I became the kind of person that can remember the most obscure things and follow really long chains of connotations. And if you asked me, I wasn't like that before experimenting with NSI-189.

              But that being said, I even tried Cerebrolysin months before that for nootropic exploration. So for all we know, the memory enhancement stems from that. In hindsight, I must have been very daring to have injected myself with peptides purified from pig brains. :)

            • jokowueu 6 years ago

              I was there during it . There were 2 forms the freebase and the phosphate form . The phosphate form is what was being used in the phase trials . Many found huge beneficial results but it seemed like all of it was plocebo . It failed phase 2 trials and the company's sticks were in free fall . I knew something was up when thr CEO (iirc) sold most of his stocks before they released the data.

    • brian_herman__ 6 years ago

      How and where do you do this?!

      • rootw0rm 6 years ago

        labs in India and China.

        • missosoup 6 years ago

          India has been pretty open and vocal about ignoring pharma patents when it comes to medications. They put the needs of the people above the financial wants of the industry.

          It's been a cause of tension in trade negotiations.

    • jksmith 6 years ago

      Yep, looking into it.

kirykl 6 years ago

I wonder how this would affect patients whom have had cardiac ablation, possibly causing unwanted cellular re-growth

defterGoose 6 years ago

ITT: People who read nothing past the first paragraph saying, 'Yeah, but only in zebrafish ppl'

ur-whale 6 years ago

Legitimate question : how hard would it be to synthesize in one's garage?

aussieguy1234 6 years ago

Zebrafish != Humans

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