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How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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84 points by UFOFlyer 7 years ago · 58 comments

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jeeeeb 7 years ago

Not to talk down the Dutch achievement too much but the quality of statistics used in this article is terrible.

Total monetary value of agricultural exports is a terrible way to measure output. It doesn't take into account: 1. Re-exports (Rotterdam is the largest port in Europe) 2. Specialisation in the production of certain goods (i.e. high imports and exports) 3. The high price of agricultural goods in Europe, driven by high trade barriers. 4. Low domestic consumption compared to more populous nations.

For a better analysis of the monetary value of Dutch agricultural exports see here: https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2018/03/dutch-agricultural-exp...

Note for example the 22.5 billion Euros in re-exports of agricultural goods.

90% reduction in water usage is also hard to judge without looking at changes in other advanced agricultural nations.

It would be more interesting to see the yields per-hectare the Dutch are achieving compared to other advanced agricultural nations.

  • paganel 7 years ago

    > It doesn't take into account: 1. Re-exports (Rotterdam is the largest port in Europe)

    At some point during Ceausescu’s later years Romania (my country) was one of the largest exporters of bananas in the world, as Romania was trading with many African countries using barter: we give you tractors and Romanian-built replicas of the AK-47, you give us bananas. Those bananas were later re-sold by the Romanian Government for much needed foreign currency.

  • tdons 7 years ago

    It's in Dutch buy you can read about that here:

    http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?PA=7100oogs

    Few examples (2017 data):

      Potatoes    36 900 kg/ha
      Sugar beets 93 300 kg/ha
      Wheat        9 100 kg/ha
      Rye          3 200 kg/ha
      Corn        13 500 kg/ha - 48 900 kg/ha (different kinds)
      Onions      55 700 kg/ha
  • nroets 7 years ago

    One would not expect The Netherlands to export so much in the presence of "high trade barriers". But I strongly suspect that trade barriers between European Union Members to be very low.

    Low transport costs also helped The Netherlands achieve this position. Numerous highways, railways and waterways connect it to it's neighbours.

    • repolfx 7 years ago

      He means trade barriers against cheap food from developing countries like Africa. The EU blocks such imports with high tariffs mostly to protect French agriculture, but it has the advantage of allowing the Dutch to invest in super high tech farming. Sucks for consumers though. Food is more expensive in Europe than the USA and that's why.

    • jeeeeb 7 years ago

      The Netherlands is in the EU. They have total unrestricted access to the EU market, which is exactly where the vast majority of their agricultural exports go.

  • Aeolun 7 years ago

    One of the gains in yield per hectare is given right at the start of the article. 20 as opposed to 9 tons per hectare.

    Though that’s a global average, and may be just as amazing in the US.

    • repolfx 7 years ago

      The graph labelled "Punching above its weight" is a graph of comparative yields, which looks very impressive for the Dutch.

pasta 7 years ago

What is kind of funny is that people here like to pay more for 'organic' food because they think it's more healthy. But what comes from the greenhouse is so lab-grown it's more healthy than anything. Those labs also don't like to use pesticides because it's unhealthy for the workers and plants as well. They use insects to control pests.

The only problem with greenhouse food is that it tastes like nothing. A tomato grown on soil has much more taste than grown on water.

  • benj111 7 years ago

    Not the only problem.

    They tend to pump CO2 into them to increase growth, that has the unfortunate effect of decreasing nutritional content. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27308720

    I'm sure I've seen research for other veg also, but my google fu is failing me at the mo.

  • misja 7 years ago

    It's not the soil but the lack of sun that deprives the tomatoes of their taste.

    Greenhouses in the Netherlands are heated with natural gas. The Dutch government subsidises the gas so they can keep their costs low and be competitive. So that's another reason to eat organic food; it is more sustainable because it uses natural sunlight. And tastier as well!

    • repolfx 7 years ago

      That fact about natural gas was one of the most surprising things to me. I realise the Netherlands is right next to some huge oil and gas fields, but surely burning gas to heat greenhouses filled with tomatoes in a cold climate, can't make sense compared to just importing those vegetables from countries where they grow naturally? Shipping fuel isn't that expensive?

      Is this some weird side effect of the tariffs and CAP? It's cheaper for Europe to burn fossil fuels and build robots to grow tomatoes in cold climates with expensive labour, than import them from warm climates with cheap labour?

    • Aeolun 7 years ago

      I’m fairly certain nobody would buy the Tomatoes if they didn’t have any taste.

      • tluyben2 7 years ago

        Depending where you live you probably already do and think that ‘no taste’ is the taste of tomato. In the Netherlands (where I am from) and the south of Spain (where I spend a lot of time) the difference is huge in taste buying an average tomato; the ones in NL taste like nothing compared but seems people are used to it.

  • vram22 7 years ago

    >A tomato grown on soil has much more taste than grown on water.

    You mean they use hydroponics?

tbarbugli 7 years ago

Only problem is that dutch vegetables have no taste and are still insane expensive compared to meat (which is also tasteless). So yeah, awesome thinkering and efficiency here, but quality is not there.

  • jillesvangurp 7 years ago

    Actually a bit of a myth (I'm Dutch). It's more a case of targeting different markets with different price and quality ratios. E.g. Germans love to complain about Dutch water bombs but buy them by the kilo anyway because the stuff is cheap. They don't realize the more expensive varieties also available to them come from the same country. You don't have to buy the cheap ones but they do; it's their poor tastes that are driving the demand for this.

    Likewise, Italy imports a lot of tomatoes (more than they export according to this: https://www.freshplaza.com/article/2158667/italian-table-tom...). Most of those come from the Netherlands. Italians are of course famously picky when it comes to their food. Yet they seem to buy Dutch produce.

    • misja 7 years ago

      The reason that Italy imports Dutch tomatoes is probably for using them in tomato sauce and other tomato products.

      Italy's export of tomato products is far greater than its raw tomato export: see e.g. http://www.tomatonews.com/en/global-tomato-products-trade-20...

      So no, I wouldn't say that Italians like Dutch tomatoes as much as their own.

    • vanilla-almond 7 years ago

      In the UK, supermarket tomatoes imported from The Netherlands are also common. The tomatoes are mostly tasteless, regardless of the variety. Even the premium-priced organic ones have little flavour.

      That's what modern, mass-produced agriculture gives us: tasteless, low-cost produce all-year round because price mostly trumps other factors for many, if not most, consumers. But it seems that even expensive mass-produced varieties are just as tasteless as their cheaper counterparts.

      • jillesvangurp 7 years ago

        The UK used to be infamous for low quality bland food. So, it's not surprising that people tend to buy cheap low quality stuff there. Same in Germany (I live there currently). The quality of the produce in the super markets is quite poor. I recently was in Poland; they seem to have even lower standards/expectations there. Don't blame the Dutch, blame the local food culture (or lack thereof). The premium stuff gets shipped to where it most appreciated.

        • repolfx 7 years ago

          The UK, famous for bland food? The most popular dish in the UK is curry. The relative lack of spicyness in European food vs British food is very noticeable.

      • starbeast 7 years ago

        Tomatoes flavour often gets killed by chilling them too far - https://www.newscientist.com/article/2109336-heres-why-putti...

        There are probably other things going on as well, but this seems to be one of the major factors at play.

    • harryf 7 years ago

      The other problem is the Netherlands are at risk of getting wiped out by rising sea levels.

      Your example of Italy is bad news - in effect countries that could produce their own are buying Dutch because it’s cheaper, presumably because economies of scale now work in Holland’s favor.

      In other words we depend on a country that’s at risk of being wiped out by flooding for food _and_ that same countrys dominant market position is also holding back food production in other countries.

      Sounds like the back story for a bad movie.

      • jillesvangurp 7 years ago

        Sea level changes are not that much of a challenge. We have centuries of experience building infrastructure to manage that and decades more to leverage that. Much of the country is already below sea level and already well prepared for extreme water levels. Some of the infrastructure will need some upgrading of course. The reality of sea level changes is that they will be most devastating in places where they won't be able to pull together the economic resources to put infrastructure in place or where they are making the historic mistake of assuming it won't happen.

      • misja 7 years ago

        This is a myth. Despite the global warming, Dutch sea level rising has not accelerated. See e.g. https://www.clo.nl/en/indicators/en0229-sea-level-dutch-coas...

      • radicalbyte 7 years ago

        I was worried about that too, only it turns out that due to the exact location the risks due to the sea level are much lower than in other countries. Having the British Isles as a buffer from the Atlantic really helps.

        Changes to the weather pattern (particularly the rain) are a bigger cause of concern.

    • benj111 7 years ago

      I wonder if Dutch tomatoes imported to Italy are canned and then branded as "made in Italy"?

      • chmod775 7 years ago

        That'd be illegal for food, which must state the country of origin.

        • benj111 7 years ago

          You are probably right in the straight forward example. I'm sure most of the schemes below are legal though.

          -"packed in Italy"

          -Add herbs and seasoning to the can.

          -Process it to pasata.

          -Add lots of Italian branding, Italian head office address with "made in EU"

        • lozenge 7 years ago

          Labelling law is not that strict in the EU except for meat and fish. The idea of a single country of origin is pretty dubious anyway.

  • meuk 7 years ago

    I live in the Netherlands and disagree with your point about the price. I usually cook meals for 2-3 people. They usually cost less than 3 euro for vegetables (in total, not per person). Meat and/or cheese are usually the most expensive. And those meals contain a lot more vegetables than the typical meal in the USA and southern or eastern Europe.

  • john_nik 7 years ago

    I can concur to this. I have a friend from Italy where he worked during the summers at family farms down south where they produced tomatoes the natural way. Eating tomatoes in Netherlands is like eating paper, he said. The same goes for lettuce. There is no taste and it goes bad/degrades much faster even if you keep it in the refrigerator

    • grenoire 7 years ago

      One of my biggest complaints about living in the Netherlands is the goddamned tomatoes. Even after seasoning them and trying many different kinds, I just couldn't find one that was like... a tomato, in the way that I know it.

      • Udik 7 years ago

        I find the small cherry tomatoes (the "snoepgroente" ones) to be delicious, in the right season (of course quality varies throughout the year). With some buffalo mozzarella from Italy they make an excellent meal.

      • Tsubasachan 7 years ago

        Well as you know tomatoes don't grow naturally in the Netherlands.

        The whole thing about Dutch farming is efficiency. Produce vast quantities with minimal manpower or land use. Feeding the world>taste.

    • radicalbyte 7 years ago

      The same applies everywhere in Europe outside of Italy and France.

  • paganel 7 years ago

    > Only problem is that dutch vegetables have no taste

    The expression “like Dutch tomatoes” has become an insult for vegetables being sold on the local market exactly for the reason you mention.

  • radicalbyte 7 years ago

    Vegetables are only expensive because meat is heavily subsidised by the Common Agricultural Policy.

russellbeattie 7 years ago

"Food Valley"? Oh, come on... they could have done better! How about "Sustenance Valley"? But that brings up a secondary point... a valley?? In Holland??

userulluipeste 7 years ago

"A farm atop a former factory in The Hague produces vegetables and fish in a self-sustaining loop: Fish waste fertilizes plants, which filter the water for the fish."

If people should know something about how diseases & parasites appear and develop is that the existence of exactly this kind of "self-sustaining loop" is the essential part. Even in the outside environment, any given organism bares the risk of taking part in development of a new parasitic creature's life-cycle, but that risk is greatly reduced by having an inconsistent pattern of interaction with other symbiotic creatures. Here the people involved are just asking for it (unless they go out their way to sterilize the substances circulating in that plant-fish loop).

gattr 7 years ago

Impressive, to be sure, especially the technical side of things.

However I really dislike greenhouses like these for the huge amount of light pollution they cause (speaking as an amateur astronomer). Sure, it probably doesn't matter much in a densely populated area like the Netherlands, but they start to also pop up here in Eastern Europe, in (previously-) dark-sky locations.

ggm 7 years ago

Google Earth to the greenhouse complex is southern Spain is visually entertaining. Similar giant single area in the NL?

MordodeMaru 7 years ago

I'm guessing that Israel and Spain might be behind the Netherlands in this trend. Absolutely fascinating.

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