Show HN: A list of programmers coding live
shipstreams.comHeya!
I’m Armin, I built shipstreams.com. Inspired by Pat Walls building "You Don't Need WordPress" live on Twitch in 24h, I created this list of makers streaming their work!
After many hours on Twitch I found many cool people doing so much great work. There is always to learn something while looking over someone's shoulder :)
If you want to add yourself and build with us, you can use the Submit Form. - I’m especially on the lookout for more streaming women makers!
In the future, I'd like to add Youtube-Code-Steamers as well, or maybe you know of other Websites who host some Makers? Could see shipstreams as an aggregator for all of them :)
Cheers and see you Live, Armin
Links: Telegram Notification Channel: http://t.me/shipstreams Submit Form: https://shipstreams.com/submit Github: https://github.com/arminulrich/shipstreams.com (Laravel + Vue.js - hacked together in 24 hours )
Feature request: Ability to search by technologies being used.
eg: Golang, redis, aws, AI, etc.
Yes, this is the first thing I tried to do.
oh yes that would be awesome! thanks!
Amazing. In sort of a weird mirrored telepresent universe, I clicked on one of the Shipstreams to find the maker checking Hackernews and "shipping live" on Shipstreams. https://ibb.co/hN5b6z
Hi Armin, looks great! I can see this being a valuable resource for people that want to understand how great coders do their thing.
I'd suggest adding Jonathan Blow, an indie game developer of Braid and The Witness who designs and builds his own games and game engines on stream: https://twitch.tv/naysayer88
Also, I notice there are very few female developers on your list. I think it would be of great service to the programming community to find some women and add them to your list.
> I think it would be of great service to the programming community to find some women and add them to your list.
Make sure you ask them first if that is ok. Not all attention is welcome attention.
you’re right! I also wrote that in my comment above! I already reached out to women maker groups and hope to add more to my list soon :)
Genuine question: What is the appeal of watching live coding? Who watches these? I'm watching code all day long, arguing about it, understanding it on my workplace, if I get home, there is no way I want to watch another guy live coding. Maybe doing my own thing when I'm free and not tied to a gazillion rules of how to do things.
I sometimes throw a quieter stream on in the background. It makes me feel like I'm in an office space when I'm coding by myself which sometimes helps me focus.
I never usually have a stream on for more than 10-15 minutes at a time, but other than the nice sound of keyboard typing I also enjoy trying to be helpful or just poking in and seeing what other people are working on.
From my experience. It is very beginner heavy.
I used to stream and my audience was students, beginners, junior engineers etc...
I had a few senior engineers watching when I streamed more advanced Devops, React, Python etc.. But in general, that was the division.
There is a big gap in software education from the tutorial to the point of dealing with real world and real life problems, people are attracted to seeing how you would solve things that come up in real life and that's where they get most of the value.
Viewers often view this during work, so they have some white-noise type from the keyboard typing and voice.
The main point in streaming and watching streams in my mind is the sense of community, people ask A LOT of questions and get a ton of value from it (depends on the streamer)
Not everyone interested in programming works as a programmer, and not everyone who works as a programmer has good peers to learn from! I have very occasionally watched some live streamed coding, usually because I’m interested in learning more about a particular technology or a particular person’s approach to solving problems.
I find it strangely appealing. A football player may train all day long but that doesn't mean he wouldn't like to see a game on TV. But I may be strange. I find that I enjoy programming more when I'm playing a coding podcast in the background, for some reason. Perhaps because coding is a lonely activity.
I think the appeal is the same for watching any other high performance. Specifically, it can be entertaining to see how others do things, and there is potential for you to pick up some useful knowledge in the form of a problem solving technique, or maybe a workflow you haven’t considered.
But you can do that by reading code of Open Source projects, which is more effective IMO.
No... For example, let's imagine a developer needs to find the source of a bug on a big rails app. All he knows of the bug is that a certain line of logged SQL should be near the location. He knows how to trigger the bug. A simple method call triggers a myriad of unknown things, one of which is where the bug lies. He gets the idea to write a method that takes a regex and a block and temporarily override the logging method while the block executes so that it outputs a backtrace when logging a line that matches the given regex. The method is called, the backtrace is output, and the bug is found.
Development ideas and methodologies like that don't appear in code.
Well, you can learn actively from researching opens source projects. Or you can learn passively by watching others code.
The first is more effective but the second is easier and more entertaining.
I disagree with this. I think you are not passive watching live coding almost the same way like you are pair programming and you are the observer.
Watching a stream is passive, like watching a movie. Pair programming is interactive, as you are right next to the person.
Unless you're commenting on the stream, it's a very passive act of learning.
You feel connected and motivated. It also can be fascinating seeing how people go about doing things (well or not).
I don't watch people code, but I do watch people study (or have it on while I code).
Yesterday, I was doing some after-work hobby-coding while listening to ChilledCow (on YouTube). There's a cartoon girl studying and writing in a notebook. The animation revamps endlessly, while lofi hip-hop is playing in the background. I have it on, because its very soothing to have something on and grind through a task after work.
This is actually a thing. Another channel "The Strive Studies" features a girl studying for her medical licence (something like that). Just jazz music and 1-3 hours of her reading and typing.
Basically, anything can become social, and coding/studying while someone is coding/studying can become highly motivating. You know they are going through the same stress and working towards some goal. Its fun to be part of that process. But, it somehow opens your mind up that "you are not alone".
So, yea, virtual study/coding groups are a great way to motivate.
ChilledCow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHW1oY26kxQ The Strive Studies - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDbesougG0
I watch Adam13531's BotLand twitch channel when I work at home. He's also been posting them on youtube for the past few years. I am interested to see how other talented programmers work, without having to look over my colleagues' shoulders at work.
Adam keeps a really well organized programmers' log and todo list, and I've incorporated that into my own daily work.
I occasionally watch programmers stream, usually it's game devs. I find it quite relaxing, there are usually opportunities to support the developer by offering some knowledge, and I often end up learning something too.
Another genuine question: What is the appeal of streaming live coding? Why would you want a bunch of strangers watching you write? Does an audience help the process in some way, or is it a way to feel less lonely, or what?
If they're literally all on Twitch, why would I use this site instead of just searching for software devs via Twitch directly?
I keep this list curated, so I confirm these people are doing mostly coding streams - and in future steps, I'd like to add more platforms :)
I started out last week with like five people, and only twitch people kept writing me so far :)
It's a good discovery tool. I actually searched for devs doing live coding in twitch few days back but barely found anyone.
I find list useful, I was trying to find such streams earlier with no luck. Unfortunately I only found 2 dead accounts by searching for programming, maybe it is just I am not that familiar with twitch.
Here [0] is a list of currently live streams who have categorized their stream as programming. At time of writing, there's about 50 live streams.
Same reason we use link sharing sites like Hacker News, and Reddit... You don't need to search.
Wonderful, This is exactly what I was looking for a few days ago and someone already did it. twitch is primarily a place for gamers but good to see programmers. I follow Stephen Wolfram and Holden Karau 's live coding and code reviews.
Nice to see some manual curation in this space. For some reason, I've found Twitch's categorization of this type of stream to be challenging to find (i.e. it's under creative, but hard to filter from the rest of that category unless people specifically tag it things like development or programming).
I could be wrong, as I don't often browse Twitch, but you might want to take another look. From what I heard they've killed IRL and Creative and replaced them with more segmented categories.
thank you! yeah its really hard to find a cool thing. (but I'm generally bad at navigating twitch haha)
Good stuff, I remember seeing Walls' tweet [0], and watching this site go up on Product Hunt soon after he finished. I do wonder though, is this a more focused version of Twitch's Programming directory [1]?
[0] https://twitter.com/thepatwalls/status/1043242997050167302 [1] https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Programming
Yeah I keep this list curated, so I confirm these people are doing mostly coding streams - and in future steps, I'll add more and more platforms!
I would love to stream as I program, but I'm too afraid of accidentally showing a password or API key or something and pwning myself.
Here's a product idea: a screen recorder that understands password inputs and things like "API key" or "API secret" and blurs it automatically.
There's also the possibility of swatting[1]. There are videos online of people streaming when suddenly their home is broken into by officers, rifle in hand, yelling at them to get on the ground.
I streamed on Twitch for a while [1], the change they made with the categories now officially kills off programming streams and show that they don't really care about it.
Curating streams this way is very useful and looks good.
Heya! I just wanted to say thanks for your streams. I haven't been watching streams in general lately due to life being much busier, but yours in particular were super interesting and I learned a ton!
Thank you!
thank you! .. may I add your channel to the list? :)
This is cool, twitch and youtube are both great platforms to stream.
It’s funny there was a new platform linked here on HN I think a few years ago, and it did pretty well, I streamed on it for a while, but it never got the traction they wanted so they pivoted to live edu or something.
This getting to the front page shows me that it’s better to start very small and work from there if you want to make a new community.
I’m not saying that shipstreams is going to host their own streams one day, independent of twitch or youtube, but given a good start like this, it’s at least a possibility.
Is this embrace, extend, extinguish?
Regardless, congrats on shipping!
Rachael Tatman at Kaggle does a livestream on Twitch every Friday: https://www.twitch.tv/rctatman
Here's another site of curated programming centered streams: https://belly.io/programming
Great idea, but none of the livestreaming coders I follow on Twitch are listed. Stephen Wolfram is a notable omission but there are some other great livestreams on Twtich creative.
Looks good, but not a big fan of the autoplaying video.
If I could click a button and start playing the video instead that would be great.
You may be interested in a global solution Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-autop... Chrome: I don't know any good one off the top of my head, sorry
anyone know what happened to livecoding.tv?
A disaster happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10486476
wow, i never knew about that! just reading through the comments, i don't particularly find anything offensive with Michael's responses. am i missing something?
You might need "showdead" in your HN options to see all of it.
They rebranded to https://www.liveedu.tv/ and made a lot of product changes that make it unusable.
They used to have a good community going, I streamed there for a little while but everyone seems to shift to Twitch/Youtube.
I used to stream there as well. Do you know if there's another coding-focused streaming platform?
devstream.io does this also. Maybe not as polished though.
Can you post your chaturbate profile instead?
I have a real suspicion towards anything that's featured on ProductHunt. I hope that this post's upvotes are genuine!
may I ask why?
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everyone was asked or submitted themselves via the form :)
Nice, good human in action 8)