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Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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79 points by TobiasA 7 years ago · 114 comments

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donarb 7 years ago

The really tragic thing is that the father of the killed 10 year old was a Kansas legislator who voted for a cap on damages (max $300K) when someone is killed due to negligence. A quirk in Kansas law allows for Kansans injured by out-of-state parties to apply the laws of the state where the other party is located. So Scott Schwab parlayed the payout for his son's death from $300,000 to $20 million, all while denying the same to his constituents injured by Kansas companies.

https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scot...

  • tzs 7 years ago

    Any of his constituents injured by out of state parties can do exactly the same thing he did. Any injury he suffers at the hands of a Kansas company will be subject to the same damage limits that such injuries suffered by his constituents are.

    I don't see how this is either hypocrisy (as alleged in the article you link to) or denying his constituents some benefit that is allowed to him (as you claim).

    I am curious why Kansas law allows in the case of an out-of-state tortfeasor applying the laws of the tortfeasor's state for damage limits. (I assume that it is still Kansas law determines whether or not a tort was committed?)

    If the tort occurred in another state, and the Kansas victim elected to sue in Kansas, then I believe that normal choice of law rules would have the Kansas court apply the laws of the state where the tort occurred, both for determining whether there is liability, and determining the damages (Kansas law, though, for rules of procedure and rules of evidence).

    But here the tort occurred in Kansas, so I'm confused. The only theory that comes to mind is that this is meant to make Kansas more attractive as a home state to companies.

    For instance, suppose you are going to set up a company that primarily serves customers in Kansas and Texas. If you make Texas your home, you will be subject to Texas damage limits on your torts in Texas against Texans, and because of the Kansas tort quirk you will also be subject to Texas damage limits on your torts against Kansans in Kansas.

    If, on the other hand, you make Kansas your home, you will will be subject to Texas damages on your torts against Texans in Texas, but on your torts against Kansans in Kansas the damages will be limited by the $300k Kansas limit on Kansas companies.

    If this is the reason, I wonder if it could be challenged on interstate commerce grounds? Making the damage limit on torts committed in Kansas lower for Kansas companies than for companies in states with higher damage limits advantages Kansas businesses.

    • hn_throwaway_99 7 years ago

      > I don't see how this is either hypocrisy

      Seriously, you don't? It's all "over burdensome regulation" and "tort lawyers looking for a huge payday" until it's YOUR child that is hurt or killed. Legislator is damn lucky the tortfeasor was from out of state.

      • tzs 7 years ago

        > Seriously, you don't?

        No, I don't. The definition of hypocrisy is "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform".

        He voted for a law that resulted in reduced damages for torts committed in Kansas by Kansas companies but did not reduce damages for torts committed in Kansas by non-Kansas companies, at least in some circumstances [1].

        This suggests that his moral standards or beliefs at the time he voted for the law were that out-of-state companies should be subject to higher damages than Kansas companies [2]. (That's a crappy moral standard and belief, but that's not relevant from a hypocrisy perspective).

        He later was a plaintiff in a tort case against a non-Kansas company, and asked for higher damages than he would be able to get from a Kansas company. This is not acting in a way that does not conform to moral standards or beliefs that his vote suggests he holds.

        The essence of hypocrisy is telling everyone to act one way and then acting in a different way yourself. Here he is acting in the same way the law he voted for allows all Kansans to act, so we cannot infer hypocrisy.

        That doesn't mean he should not be criticized strongly. The law he voted for is very bad on two counts. First, by severely limiting damages on torts committed by Kansas companies, it harms those company's Kansas victims.

        Second, by having different limits depending on whether it is a Kansas company or not, it means that different Kansas plaintiffs who suffer similar injuries from a tortfeasor in Kansas can face vastly different damage limits depending on where the tortfeasor happens to be incorporated. That's fundamentally unfair.

        [1] The injury lawyer blog that was cited just says there is "apparently" a "quirk" in Kansas law, and the cite is just a newspaper article that just says it may have something to do with choice of law, so it is not clear exactly how this thing came about.

        [2] I'm assuming that there is some basic competence on the part of the Kansas legislature and their staff that actually prepare legislation, so that when they decided to lower damage limits on torts they knew about this mysterious quirk and knew that they were writing their legislation in a way that would not eliminate it.

      • untog 7 years ago

        I can't help but feel like the OP's post is an example of getting carried away in legalese. It isn't hypocritical in the legal sense, but absolutely is in the moral sense.

rossdavidh 7 years ago

I think this article makes too much of the fact that they were not engineers (I say this as a person with two engineering degrees), and too little of the fact that this was by far not the first indication of problems. I can't find the HN link now, but the official government report was pretty damning. There were numerous incidents that lead to injuries, numerous reports that rafts had gone airborne when they shouldn't have, numerous times when employees expressed reservations or misgivings about this ride. It doesn't take an engineering degree, or any degree, to respond to what you see happening. This accident didn't come out of nowhere, and they had many previous indications that there was a problem.

  • steamer25 7 years ago

    Yeah I could imagine an article coming from the opposite direction, deriding ivory tower calculations in favor of real world experimentalism in some case where the developers didn't do enough physical testing. There are definitely plenty of cases where design mistakes have been unaddressed to tragic consequences: poor modeling in the Hyatt Regency collapse (https://youtu.be/VnvGwFegbC8), underspecified gusset plates causing the Minneapolis bridge collapse and possibly the novel methods chosen for the recently collapsed Florida pedestrian bridge, etc. Ultimately, the methodology is probably less important than whether the business chose to recklessly defraud people about the risks and safety concerns or acted in good faith.

  • Gibbon1 7 years ago

    I believe one of the reason we have professional engineering licenses which require years of working under a PE is because an engineering degree is simply not enough to weed out the loons and incompetents.

    I worked for 10 years for a industrial controls company and I have a wildly more conservative attitude towards safety than most of the engineers, especially CS people I know. Far as I can tell this doesn't correlate to a having an accredited degree at all.

AdamM12 7 years ago

From KC. The indictment [1][2] is pretty bad. There were multiple reported injuries that were decently severe leading up to the final incident. One of the guys full blown destroyed reports. Which led some 17 yo kid to become a whistle blower and go to detectives. I'll agree this article attempts to paint this guys a slightly more favorable light and should of went more in depth into the actual misconduct of some of the persons involved. KC Star did some really good reporting on this whole incident even leading up to it I believe they were calling into question the safety.

[1] https://www.kansascity.com/latest-news/article206611679.ece/...

[2] https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/977310924804579329

danepowell 7 years ago

I'm frankly surprised that more people haven't died at Schlitterbahn. Although this article appears to reference negligence at a corporate level, you have to keep in mind that the staff is comprised largely of high school aged kids, and all it takes is a few moments of inattention for someone to drown on these rides.

Case in point, I could have easily drowned as a kid when one of the staff allowed too many riders in tubes to go down a chute at once, creating a log jam at the bottom that I got pulled underneath. The strong current held me underneath other riders' tubes for a good thirty seconds or so until the jam loosened. No one noticed or cared even as I came up coughing and sputtering.

Don't get me wrong, most of the staff seemed to take their job pretty seriously, but in a place as crowded and inherently dangerous as this it doesn't take much for someone to get hurt.

linohh 7 years ago

When I was a kid, we went to TX (I'm from Germany) and everyone recommended going to New Braunfels because it's so German.

We were quite shocked to see how german it was. It seemed like a hideout for traditional german values (as in conquering Poland) - no pleasant memory.

  • esaym 7 years ago

    Up until about 50 years ago, the population was mostly German, and German was still being spoken. Not so much now though.

    • ryanmerket 7 years ago

      I grew up there in the 80s. We had our own Wurstfest and the school’s mascot was the Unicorns. So there’s that.

  • wyldfire 7 years ago

    Wow, what in particular do you mean?

    • HillaryBriss 7 years ago

      my guess is that New Braunfels, Texas is planning to invade Warsaw, Indiana in the second half of 1939.

    • matt4077 7 years ago

      The name alone sounds like a made-up name from an uninspired nazi comedy.

      Haven’t been there, but it’s probably a bit like Namibia, which had the unfortunate experience of briefly being entangled in German dreams of colonization: they have radio stations continuously playing German folk music from the 1920’s.

      It’s not explicitly fascist music (as far as I can tell) but the association was strong with everyone who heard it.

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  • patrickg_zill 7 years ago

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    • linohh 7 years ago

      Just a personal memory about the weirdness of having expat communities serving as a time capsule. They took the then German culture and forked it. From today’s perspective it would be similar to playing bioshock where a similar cultural fork happened.

    • monktastic1 7 years ago

      Parent comment says that s/he is from Germany.

    • jamiek88 7 years ago

      He is German.

lisper 7 years ago

"Instead of using fundamental mathematical and physics calculations to design and build the ride, the two men had “rushed forward relying almost entirely on crude trial-and-error methods.” And although they realized that their finished product “guaranteed that rafts would occasionally go airborne in a manner that could severely injure or kill the occupants,” they went ahead and opened the ride anyway."

Yep. All you have to do is look at the thing and apply some basic mechanical principles (like conservation of energy) to know that you're rolling the dice. Just a little less friction to dissipate energy on the way to the top of the second hill and -- whee! -- you're airborne.

brian-armstrong 7 years ago

This article seems to romanticize the ride's creators. Why? They built a ride that injured and killed from their own intentional neglect. The men should be regarded as murderers.

  • phrz 7 years ago

    From Texas. I feel that the article is trying to describe a Texan perspective of this disaster, reconciling the reality of the criminal negligence and death with the very heavy nostalgia and romance most Texans have for the New Braunfels park, pretty much synonymous with childhood for many of us.

  • rdiddly 7 years ago

    And they're being charged as murderers. I wouldn't say they're being romanticized, per se, but reality is seldom black-and-white enough to paint someone one-dimensionally as a monster and still be telling the truth. Seldom does a baby come out the womb and people go, "What a monster, he is going to kill someone someday."

userbinator 7 years ago

An interesting thing to calculate is the actual fatality rate, in deaths per passenger-km. The article mentions that ~100K riders had already taken it, and the ride is ~100m in length or 0.1km (data found elsewhere on the Internet), so that nicely works out to 1 in 10K passenger-km.

In contrast, the fatality rate of driving in the US is in the 1 in 100M range, so the ride was far more dangerous than driving. That gives a good perspective on the risk.

bagacrap 7 years ago

Somewhat alarming that the net and hoops which are presumably there as a safety mechanism to prevent leaving the track completely ended up causing fatal injury.

  • userbinator 7 years ago

    Indeed, they probably caught his head and then quite naturally, ripped it off. It seems almost common sense to use something smoother and softer, but as the saying goes, "common sense isn't common".

    You can see them in this video of the ride (start at 1:00)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZsK7zSCJ2w

    • downandout 7 years ago

      Looking at the video, it seems like the answer to the problem would have been to have a lip on both sides of the slide and have a part of the raft go under that lip at the top of the slide. Then it would have been physically impossible for the raft to ever leave the slide until it reached the bottom, regardless of any negative g-forces or the weight of the riders. They could have ditched the netting altogether, and made it a far safer, scarier ride.

      The mind boggling part is that the netting system worked as designed, but the design was such that the riders of any airborne raft would be going into it head-first. That should have been obvious to anyone the moment it was even proposed as a solution to airborne rafts. They created a system where serious head/face/neck injuries were inevitable.

    • jrmg 7 years ago

      Thanks for posting the video. Watching it, I realized that the image of the ride I’d built in my head when reading the article (three people lightly strapped to a flimsy inflatable float) was pretty far from reality (which looked more like a rollercoaster that happened to sit on water). I can see why people thought this was safe.

    • svrtknst 7 years ago

      According to the article, the metal hoop seems to have caught him in the neck. I can't imagine being there in the raft, nor being there as a bystander, watching.

      • StillBored 7 years ago

        Having just taken the kids to the new braunfels location..

        Oddly, master blaster continues to have the same net and hoop layout. I wondered about it years ago when I first rode that ride.

        https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=master+blaster+schlitte...

        While I didn't ride it this time (the wait is generally really long), I think I was more aware of the fact that there are a lot of dangerous areas in the park. A couple years ago when my kids were younger, I saw first hand how just a bit of running on wet concrete can result in some serious road rash. The park is very responsive to these kinds of injuries, but they must be very common.

        This time I came away with the idea that these parks are built around 70's era don't protect the kids from the daily bumps bruises of life mindset. If there were actual regulation, I suspect there would be a _LOT_ of changes forced on by the safty crazies.

        For starters, many of the rides should probably require helmets. I myself cracked my head (twice) against concrete tube chutes after having fliped off tubes in fairly minor drops (just a few feet).

        Maintenance isn't really top notch either, years ago I remember sitting at a picnic table on a windy day and a fairly large limb broke off a nearby tree and missed a woman and her baby by inches.

        This probably won't keep me from going again next year. The place is a blast, and if you do manage to injure yourself, there is literally a hospital across the street. It does make me more respectful of the attractions though, something I don't think most people going there really understand. Water + speed + hard objects will result it some injuries. Hopefully like many other activities (riding a bike/skate board, jumping off cliffs, climbing trees, etc) the user learns where their limits are and if they exceed them, the injuries aren't life threatening.

        • TheSpiceIsLife 7 years ago

          Australia seems to have a lot of regulation in an effort to protect children form injury. As an example, it is not permissible to in the local outdoor pool with a ball. It's not permissible to use a ball in the park surrounding the pool.

          You can't use a ball in the park.

          I don't really understand this. Surely a tennis ball can't cause a person to drown. I suppose you could intentionally throw it hard enough at a persons head to cause serious injury, especially a small child. It just seems unlikely that would be occur accidentally.

          The red strike-through circles indicating activity not allowed on signs as you approach the pool and park area tell a short story. Of sterile boredom. Okay, I'm overreacting.

          And, sadly, yet people still die in waterpark accidents here.[1]

          1. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-25/four-people-dead-ride-...

esaym 7 years ago

My grandma lives not far from Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels. I remember one incident, probably back in 1990 when I was 5 or so, I was at my grandma's house and some cousins came down to go to Schlitterbahn.

They went without me (was perfectly fine enjoying myself on my grandma's 20 acre property) and they all came back later that night. But the next morning my one cousin, probably 12-14, stayed in the back room and never came out. Everyone kept bringing her food and water through out the day but she never came out.

I finally asked what was wrong to which my (somewhat crude mouthed) grandma only stated that she hurt herself on a ride and now her vagina is all swelled up and so she can't walk. Being 5yo I really wasn't sure what the heck that meant. Actually, I'm still not sure. But the best I can conjecture was she rode this one really tall water slide where you sit on a plastic sled and I assume the sled came out from under her and when she hit the "water brake", it flew in between her legs. But I don't know, and I'm not going to ask...

  • MrBuddyCasino 7 years ago

    There is a steep slide in a german water park that women aren’t allowed to ride. The reason is that if ridden with legs spread, water can forcefully enter the vagina and cause injuries. So that’s a real possibility.

    • esaym 7 years ago

      I've seen several water slides where you go down it on your back, with your arms and legs crossed (or rather supposed to be crossed). I went down one like that in "water world" which used to be in Houston.

      I don't remember the size, but at the end of the slide there is about 2-3 inches of standing water in the chute which I guess serves as the "water brake". I was wearing some long swimming shorts, but after hitting that water brake butt and feet first, once I stood up it looked like I was wearing a speedo since the blast of water going between my legs gave me the worlds largest wedgie.

      Never rode a slide like that again. I used to stand at the end and laugh at the people getting off and having to pull their cloths out of their crotch as they walked off like penguins.

      • nradov 7 years ago

        The same thing can happen water skiing.

        • 13of40 7 years ago

          The last jet ski I rode had a pretty candid warning label on the back about this.

        • skookumchuck 7 years ago

          That's why you always wear a wet suit when water skiing, even on a hot day.

          • sokoloff 7 years ago

            I’ve done a lot of water skiing and have never seen any recreational skiers wearing anything like a wet suit.

            • skookumchuck 7 years ago

              Have fun crashing at high speed at the wrong angle and having water shoved up where it doesn't belong. Hasn't happened to me because I always wear a shortie, after listening to advice from those it did happen to.

              I also always wear a vest, even though I can swim just fine, because the ski can hit you in the head and knock you out. Also, people sometimes pass out and drown from the CO coming off the engine.

          • coupdejarnac 7 years ago

            Am in Texas. No way am I wearing a wet suit while skiing right now.

    • watwut 7 years ago

      Wouldn't that hurt men even more? If they spread legs there are privates and men tend to be sensitive when those are hit.

      • edmccard 7 years ago

        >Wouldn't that hurt men even more?

        More than the internal injuries that could be caused by water forcibly entering the vagina? Probably not.

      • MrBuddyCasino 7 years ago

        Not sure why, maybe males have a protective reflex? For a while women could ride, with warning signs that legs must be crossed at all times. Incidents still happened, so they had to go male only.

bb88 7 years ago

FTA:

  What’s more, according to court documents, the
  investigators learned that on July 3, 2014, one week
  before the ride’s grand opening, an engineering firm 
  hired by Jeff and Schooley to perform accelerometer tests 
  on Verrückt’s rafts had issued a report suggesting that   
  if the combined weight of the three passengers in a raft 
  was between 400 and 550 pounds—the weight Jeff and 
  Schooley had agreed was appropriate—there was a chance
  the raft would go airborne on the second hill. The ride 
  opened anyway, with the weight range unchanged.
So that sounds pretty damning.
  • TheSpiceIsLife 7 years ago

    From the indictment:

    39. HENRY remarked, "[Verrückt] could hurt me, it could kill me, it is a seriously dangerous piece of equipment today because there are things that we don't know about. Every day we learn more.* I've seen what this one has done to the crash dummies and to the boats we sent down it. Ever since the prototype. And we had boats flying in the prototype too.* It's complex, it's fast, it's mean. If we mess up, it could be the end. I could die going down this ride."

    These guys are going to gaol for a long time. Unfortunately, that won't undo anything.

    • bb88 7 years ago

      Thanks for that. That's as bad as testimony one can get.

justizin 7 years ago

Struggling to read this as the original Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels was pretty much the happiest place on earth to me as a kiddo.

duxup 7 years ago

Word of warning... the descriptions in this article are pretty horrifying.

  • soapboxrocket 7 years ago

    Caleb was my nephews best friend, and the families did a lot together. My brother-in-law said that he talked to the father after and he said the hardest part was that they all got in the car to go home after and had an empty seat.

    • duxup 7 years ago

      As a parent I can't imagine losing a child...

      A parents whole routine with life is do things, check kids, do thing..... every moment you would be aware that something is terribly wrong.

    • wyldfire 7 years ago

      What did the family do with the settlement money? If my son had died I would feel so terribly conflicted. Survivor's guilt would be so much worse if I got to live a life of luxury in exchange for my son.

      • AdamM12 7 years ago

        You do realize you could like not spend the money lavish manner right?

        • wyldfire 7 years ago

          Indeed I do! 20 million dollars is a lot of money and I would feel tempted to spend it on things to make my family's life easier/better. Yet then again if it served as a reminder of my son's death, I might be persuaded to instead donate it to a scholarship or charity in my son's name.

          Thus my question. Since I don't know how I'd handle it, I'm curious how this family did.

          • AdamM12 7 years ago

            Did they actually get that much? I can understand now why you said that given that amount of money. Although really even $1 could make someone question it's use.

            • TheSpiceIsLife 7 years ago

              From the article:

              They eventually agreed that the water park and various companies associated with the design and construction of Verrückt would pay Caleb’s family a $20 million settlement, an astonishing sum. The two sisters who had ridden behind Caleb, both of whom suffered facial injuries, also received a settlement, of an undisclosed amount.

  • PeterisP 7 years ago

    Well, the event was pretty horrifying; any truthful description will be as well.

laretluval 7 years ago

Does Schlitterbahn have a higher fatal accident rate than other water parks? Other amusement parks?

This incident is horrific in its graphic details but is it actually exceptional?

  • cowboysauce 7 years ago

    Getting decapitated by a water slide is exceptional. The only other cases I can find about amusement park decapitations involve people being struck by roller coasters after they either entered a restricted area or were thrown out of a roller coaster. This case might be the only one of someone being decapitated while they stayed in the ride vehicle. Keep in mind that deaths at amusement parks are very rare, typically only two or three per year in the United States. And that's among all amusement parks. Most of those deaths are either due to pre-existing medical conditions or safety devices failing and people being ejected from the ride vehicle.

    This case is neither. The kid died because the tallest water slide in the world was designed through trial and error by a guy with no experience in physics or engineering.

tjr225 7 years ago

I used to work in an office at Cerner where you could see this slide from my floor - really sad when it happened.

cmiles74 7 years ago

I was surprised to discover the article didn't mention any engineers that had worked on the design or implementation being sued for damages. Nor did the article mention any engineers who refused to construct or otherwise work on the tallest and most dangerous waterslide in the world.

Perhaps engineers in other fields are not so different from software engineers after all, published code of conduct aside.

  • anamexis 7 years ago

    Part of the insanity here is that there were no engineers involved in the design of the slide. It was largely designed by a co-owner of the park who possessed "no technical of engineering skills."

    • cmiles74 7 years ago

      I read that too... I just don't believe it. That seems ridiculous to me. Would they have to hire an army of handymen to do the construction? It looks way too large and involved for that. Does the state really allow construction of something this large and involved without any engineers signing off?

      If this is true, I don't think I may ever let my child into a water park. Is this true of traditional amusement parks as well, I wonder?

      • ficklepickle 7 years ago

        Their family owns a construction company that was also named in the legal filings, so I assume they built it.

        It defies belief. I don't know how they got insurance for essentially homemade waterslides.

        • smelendez 7 years ago

          It seems like most of the insurance and regulatory process assumed independent manufacturers certifying the equipment. In this case, the manufacturer was also essentially also the park operator.

      • anamexis 7 years ago

        It seems that it differs by state, but in Kansas, amusement parks in general are self-regulated.

  • Digory 7 years ago

    “According to Schooley, owner Henry was at a trade show and simply decided he wanted to build the tallest, fastest water slide at one of his five Schlitterbahn water parks. He immediately shopped the idea to vendors, who declined, but he refused to be denied.”[0]

    The guy couldn’t find reputable vendors willing to take on the project.

    [0] http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-tallest-water-slide...

  • jey 7 years ago

    Doesn't sound like they had any engineers. The article mentions only one engineering consultation just before it opened which warned that "a raft with three passengers weighing between 400 and 550 pounds could go airborne" and which was dismissed by the company.

    • cmiles74 7 years ago

      I believe that same company also noted that the rafts were leaving the track.

      That aside, while it's clear the person from the park that led the project was not any kind of engineer, I find it very unlikely that the slide was designed and built without the involvement of any licensed engineers.

      Everytime an article related to the Volkswagen emissions scandal is mentioned, a finger is always pointed towards the software developers and it's hinted that they broke the law and should be responsible in some way. I am surprised a similar note isn't struck in this article with regards to the engineers that worked on this project.

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-vw-...

      • jey 7 years ago

        The article claims that Jeff Henry designed it entirely through trial-and-error methods without the involvement of any engineers. That sounds preposterous to me too, but it seems to be true.

        • StillBored 7 years ago

          While this sounds good on the surface, much of engineering is pushing boundaries and just because an engineer has a formal education, a license and some simulation software doesn't mean they are going to build something that is safe.

          I would trust physical models (aka trial and error) in this case just as much if not more than simulation models.

          Turbulent water flow, varying weight/seating positions in a _rubber_ raft, varying friction as the raft bumps the walls, etc all are going to explode the model space. Combined with a general effort to push the envelope and create an exciting ride the basic seat of the pants (high-school) physics is going to set some boundaries on weight/angle/etc but the final details aren't necessarily going to be 100% accurate.

          Worse, it wasn't the ride so much as the safety equipment which failed. Having a raft/etc come slightly off the track at the top of a hill like that is probably part of the design. I've been on other slides like that where you leave the surface for a bit only to be caught farther down (its pretty much guaranteed on roller coasters). I can see a PE making the same mistake, the ride is safe, but "just in case" lets throw some netting up to catch anyone so its absolutely impossible for them to be ejected. Hence my comment earlier about how master blaster still has the same kind of netting to this day, despite my own misgivings when I initially saw it years ago.

  • TheSpiceIsLife 7 years ago

    From the indictment:

    27. HENRY's rushed schedule affected quality control. A steel detailer named Ronald Miller, who was hired to assist with the Verrückt construction, emailed Project Manager Kathrine Fontenot to voice his concerns: "I'll be honest with you. We were forced to ship this [tower platform] way to early. There are still so many unknowns. We would have saved a lot more time (and money) if everything was figured out here at the plant. I have been telling people for months that it was imperative to have all of this stuff figured out prior to shipment. My requests fell on deaf ears and now it is on its way up to KC to be galvanised. Instead of dealing with these questions in a controlled environment, where we have the material and resources to resolve these matters, it is going to have to be done on the fly 160' in the air, on a structure that is galvanised."

wyldfire 7 years ago

I love capitalism and the idea behind laissez faire. I still think it might be the least bad thing out there but I keep coming back to stuff like this where people just don't act in their own long-term (or even short-term sometimes) interest. Caleb's gone, many people who lived in Grenfell Tower are gone, and now I think many markets where safety is critical deserve some good regulation.

> He never got a conventional education beyond high school and never formally studied physics or engineering.

That alone isn't a bad thing. Maybe he's a visionary for these water rides. Provided you retain real engineers and take their advice, that is...

> an engineering firm ... issued a report suggesting ... there was a chance the raft would go airborne on the second hill. The ride opened anyway, with the weight range unchanged.

!!!

> But one of his lawyers acknowledged that Jeff didn’t have such training. He added, “Neither did Henry Ford, and he built the car.”

This is actually a mildly compelling argument. Thousands died in cars for decades [1] before cars competed on safety features and real safety regulations arrived. However, today, I think and hope that other water parks and amusement ride designers do conventionally use simulation and other methods to arrive at safe designs. It's not unreasonably expensive considering the total expenditure of the ride's design and construction.

States like Kansas should come up with some terribly simple low bars like requiring professionally licensed engineers to sign off on a ride's design and maintenance procedures as safe, and requiring annual inspections of ride service and incident records.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

  • cmiles74 7 years ago

    Is it really possible that no licensed engineers were involved with the project, and that none of them signed off on anything significant? Based on the article, it sounds like at least one licensed engineer noticed that rafts were leaving the track.

    • toast0 7 years ago

      Given that Kansas apparently allows water parks to self-assess the safety of their rides, and that the owner of the park doesn't care about safety, but has a construction background, it's not a surprise to me that no engineers were involved in the design.

      It's not a good idea to build public buildings without the input of a structrural engineer, but it's not impossible.

    • tqkxzugoaupvwqr 7 years ago

      Engineers were involved as consultants but their assessment was cast aside.

      > What’s more, according to court documents, the investigators learned that on July 3, 2014, one week before the ride’s grand opening, an engineering firm hired by Jeff and Schooley to perform accelerometer tests on Verrückt’s rafts had issued a report suggesting that if the combined weight of the three passengers in a raft was between 400 and 550 pounds—the weight Jeff and Schooley had agreed was appropriate—there was a chance the raft would go airborne on the second hill. The ride opened anyway, with the weight range unchanged.

      In the end, no expert vouched for the ride’a safety.

      > Kansas City reporters began digging. They quickly learned that their state, like Texas, allows water parks to be self-inspected. (Under the headline “The making of Schlitterbahn’s Verrückt water slide: Too much, too fast?” a Kansas City Star article concluded that “the ultimate safety of [Verrückt] mostly began and ended with those inspired to build it.”)

  • bb88 7 years ago

    > This is actually a mildly compelling argument.

    I liked your post up to this point. But no, it's not a compelling argument -- especially one made by a lawyer.

    I wouldn't absolve Tesla for the liability of its cars just because Elon Musk is a "genius". I would expect a genius to know the limits of his knowledge. Maybe he was too proud to ask for help.

  • GavinMcG 7 years ago

    This isn't a personal accusation, but had you never heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, or read The Jungle, or Silent Spring? I'm asking because these are things I encountered in high school, and in a community that very much "love[s] capitalism and the idea behind laissez faire."

    I'd like to hope that everyone's education would be enough to instill an understanding of these things. The alternative is a Grenfell Tower for every generation.

    • wyldfire 7 years ago

      > had you never heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, or read The Jungle, or Silent Spring?

      No, no, and no. I at least know of Sinclair and I'm familiar with the subject matter of The Jungle.

      • mcphage 7 years ago

        Well, then, that’s probably why you still love the idea behind Laissez-Faire.

techsupporter 7 years ago

Maybe as a way to help compartmentalism from what the article is describing, I keep wondering: why do “long form” stories all seem to follow the same script?

- Introduction to the subject

- Introduction to the “characters”

- “Dramatic thing began to happen, with seemingly innocuous steps taken towards the unforeseen conclusion, but then, as the thing begins to unfo—“

- “Back in 1823, when the ancestor of the grandfather of the person who first set these steps tangentially in motion was born, baby rattles were just becoming popular...” [119 paragraphs giving a detailed biography of the main person]

- “And now, the conclusion...”

  • jakobegger 7 years ago

    I hate that script. I like reading long articles, but I can't read articles written like that.

    I much prefer the "newspaper article" script: Short summary, then detailed long story. It's similar, except that the summary doesn't end in a cliffhanger that makes you want to skip to the end of the article.

  • sqrt17 7 years ago

    The answer, maybe the one you're looking for is that the schema you describe is suitable for blowing up into longform stories that could be equally well-suited to be treated in 400 words or less.

    The question would be, do we care for longform as a format (as opposed to having bite-sized stories with links between them if they're part of something bigger)? Or do we care about stories that have substantial background that needs to be explained (rather than be a tangential addition to a main story)?

    • oeuviz 7 years ago

      It is not only suitable to blow it up but also to shorten it in any way you want. You just omit literaly any paragraph and the reader is still able to grasp the story. Also, using this format the story can be extended anytime without restructuring the text.

      But yeah, I agree it is not enjoyable to read.

    • navbaker 7 years ago

      It’s the same formula that recent documentary makers use to stretch out a relatively simple true crime story that happens to have a weird twist into ten one hour episodes.

  • dahauns 7 years ago

    >- Introduction to the subject

    ...containing detailed descriptions of one or more of the following:

    * The weather at the chosen time of introduction

    * One or more anatomical features and/or pieces of attire of the subject

    * A mode of transport/vehicle used by the protagonist

    * Some arbitrary item with personal value to the protagonist

    And so on.

    Like straight from a "My first novel" writing course. It's grating.

  • Gibbon1 7 years ago

    I call that the 'NPR Radio Style' and I totally despise it.

    It's cancer.

  • tzahola 7 years ago

    I call this the “Cloud Atlas” style, and I hate it.

  • HillaryBriss 7 years ago

    exactly! you have nailed this annoying format to the floor with a nuclear-powered hammer and half a billion titanium nails.

    unfortunately it always rises again...

rustcharm 7 years ago

The ride was also loaded badly with two very heavy passengers in back — exceeding 600 pounds — and a 65 pound kid in front. They need to enforce weight limits even at the risk of “offending” passengers.

patrickg_zill 7 years ago

From an engineering viewpoint, one thing that jumps out to me at least, is that "100,000 people including many kids" had already ridden when this sad accident happened.

In terms of real-world testing, not even 100,000 tests (or maybe ~33,300 if each raft had 3 people on it) exposed the problem.

  • teraflop 7 years ago

    That's giving them way too much benefit of the doubt. The problem had been exposed by tests before the fatal incident. A number of passengers were injured by airborne rafts over the course of two years -- and these injuries were reported and documented by lifeguards. The problem was known even before the ride opened, thanks to independent test results from an outside engineering company.

    Schlitterbahn ignored and/or attempted to cover up all of these reports, as is documented in the indictment.

Animats 7 years ago

They killed a politician's 10 year old child with a badly designed water slide. If it hadn't been a elected official, they'd probably still be operating.

  • sethev 7 years ago

    I doubt that. I live in Kansas City and the public shock was pretty much immediate - even before it was reported who it was. There's no way that ride was staying open.

    Also, the park is still operating just not that ride.

  • wyldfire 7 years ago

    The fact that it was not just a fatality but a remarkably gruesome one virtually guaranteed that no one would ever ride that ride again.

  • nodesocket 7 years ago

    The parks are still running, just not that ride. As another user has posted, public outcry was universal. Don't be so cynical.

  • duxup 7 years ago

    I'm not sure I buy into it being a politician's child was the trigger. The whole situation is pretty horrifying.

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