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31 points by leowinterde 10 years ago · 5 comments

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kartikkumar 10 years ago

In case you missed the launch: https://twitter.com/esa/status/709312126356201474

sathackr 10 years ago

It seems to me that they launched that with a much higher TWR than normal...the rocket seems like it accelerated much faster than I'm used to seeing. Is that just the Russian way?

  • mikeash 10 years ago

    The Proton-M's initial thrust-to-weight ratio is about 1.5, which is somewhat high. Falcon 9 is about 1.2, and Delta IV Heavy is about 1.25, for comparison. And of course since the Earth subtracts a constant 1, that means the Proton-M's initial vertical acceleration is 2-2.5 times higher than those examples.

    I'm not sure why it's different. Higher TWR is more efficient (to a point), but it also means there's potentially additional capacity to be had by carrying more fuel. Maybe it has something to do with Proton's origins as a gigantic ICBM, although that was a long time ago.

    On a tangent, reading the Wikipedia entry for Proton-M, there have been 117 total launches and 11 failures. That's a mildly terrifying failure rate!

    It occurred to me that with the Russians launching out of central Asia, there must be some chunk of land to the east of there with a ton of rockets falling on it, since even with a successful launch the first stages are just dropped. I couldn't find much info on that, but there are some really cool pictures here:

    http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/culture/articles/eav04...

    And some history here, but no rocket pictures:

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_downrange.html

    • sathackr 10 years ago

      Thank you...I had googled exomars twr and came up empty.

      • mikeash 10 years ago

        I don't think the payload matters much. Certainly its own weight is insignificant compared to the rocket as a whole. I'm not sure if they might load less fuel if the payload doesn't need full performance, but if so I think that would be a relatively small effect as well.

        I didn't find actual TWRs listed even just for the launchers, but you can find the liftoff mass and thrust pretty easily, and just divide.

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